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Post by Frank on Oct 13, 2014 9:27:15 GMT 10
Saw an article this morning and thought I would share it on here:
www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/elon-musk-robots-could-wipe-humans-like-spam/story-fnjwukfu-1227087647502
"EVERYONE’S favourite billionaire took to the stage yesterday at the Vanity Fair New Establishment Summit to warn the audience that Artificial Intelligence could be the greatest threat to humanity. He tried to warn that AI is developing at a speed so rapid humans will eventually be caught out.
“I don’t think anyone realises how quickly artificial intelligence is advancing. Particularly if [the machine is] involved in recursive self-improvement,” Musk said.
He then went to say how movies like I, Robot or Terminator could come true, explaining that if for example, artificial intelligence is programmed to get rid of spam, the AI could determine the best way to eliminate spam is to just get rid of humans.
This isn’t the first time that Elon Musk has tried to warn the world of artificial intelligence. In August this year he tweeted saying that AI could potentially be more dangerous than nuclear weapons."
Thoughts?
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Post by Joey on Oct 13, 2014 9:56:57 GMT 10
Quick start protecting John Connor
This is all leading from the human laziness to do stuff. The desire to have mediocre chores done by a robot (see I, robot)
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Post by Ammo9 on Oct 13, 2014 13:06:00 GMT 10
Program a robot to clean and think for itself and it will eventually determine that if it "cleans up" the thing making the mess it will have a much cleaner space.
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Post by SM+? on Oct 13, 2014 15:02:11 GMT 10
Tech evolution is a very real possibility as everything evolves at some point, so why not technology too. Humans will help it to evolve to a point, then it will take off from there.
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Oct 13, 2014 22:15:50 GMT 10
Program a robot to clean and think for itself and it will eventually determine that if it "cleans up" the thing making the mess it will have a much cleaner space. Obviously I'm the only geek.. What are the primary three rules governing AI? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Laws_of_RoboticsCan't beat hard coded into the source. Not merely entries into a massive database.
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Post by Ammo9 on Oct 13, 2014 22:19:22 GMT 10
And there is no chance of a robot overriding that or a human making robots without that code?
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Oct 14, 2014 6:47:19 GMT 10
Never say never I guess.
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Post by krull68 on Oct 14, 2014 14:38:28 GMT 10
My concern would be an automated robot with sensors and weaponry, being "reprogrammed" by an obamabot, or greeny or by anonymous.
Think a mobile automated sentry machine gun like in aliens. if it moves and can be verified as human then it gets vaporised.
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Post by Ammo9 on Oct 14, 2014 15:27:48 GMT 10
There are weapon carrying robots with cameras and environmental sensors. There is object and facial recognition software.
2+2= ?? Robocop?
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 14, 2014 16:14:19 GMT 10
I'm guessing I'm the only person who watched ghost in the shell? Lol
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Oct 14, 2014 17:35:05 GMT 10
Ghost in the what now? Austemplar probably the only thing stopping a long range automated weapon like that would be a power source. ausprep.com/thread/708/ultimate-home-defenseCheck out the video on the paintball sentry cannon. Imagine that with the resources of government behind it. Better software with the ability to attempt to determine friend or foe for starters, also more than basic motion sensing/sensors would also be a huge improvement. I have to admit if we could build 1000 of these and have them work as a team 100% automated, solar powered/assisted that would come back to base when it needs repairs and that if damaged five other units would sweep in and drag it back for repairs etc. Imagine the good that would do in certain hotspots around the world that are filled with terrorists. Watch them try to capture one only to be attacked from all angles by a swarm of armored automated crackshot sentry tanks. Now imagine that kind of technology in a drone.... I wonder if brad is reading this.
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 14, 2014 17:53:58 GMT 10
It's about a program becoming self aware. It's an older anime by anime standards. But I thoroughly recommend watching it it might give you another take on how things could go.
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Post by Res-Q on Oct 14, 2014 18:00:38 GMT 10
I'm guessing I'm the only person who watched ghost in the shell? Lol Not the only one Anime classic same as AKIRA and Ninja Scroll
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Post by brad on Oct 14, 2014 18:39:47 GMT 10
Ghost in the what now? Austemplar probably the only thing stopping a long range automated weapon like that would be a power source. ausprep.com/thread/708/ultimate-home-defenseCheck out the video on the paintball sentry cannon. Imagine that with the resources of government behind it. Better software with the ability to attempt to determine friend or foe for starters, also more than basic motion sensing/sensors would also be a huge improvement. I have to admit if we could build 1000 of these and have them work as a team 100% automated, solar powered/assisted that would come back to base when it needs repairs and that if damaged five other units would sweep in and drag it back for repairs etc. Imagine the good that would do in certain hotspots around the world that are filled with terrorists. Watch them try to capture one only to be attacked from all angles by a swarm of armored automated crackshot sentry tanks. Now imagine that kind of technology in a drone.... I wonder if brad is reading this. Google is now the leader in robotics and the leader in AI after all the buyouts they have done. This year put them in the lead on mind control with the latest buyout. Automated weapons are not very difficult, you need facial recognition and to identify where a face is then facial verification to ID the face. Connected to a database with a list of target faces and you have a setup that requires no human interaction after you power-up the device. Drones have the ability to identify people already, robots need some more advancements on the mobility front however there is already the capability to have a robot that can walk around with a weapon, ID a target and take them out. That part isn't hard, speed and stealth is something that needs to be looked at further. If a client came to me tomorrow and asked me to build them a robot that does the above I could have it built pretty easily. However it would be more likely for a client to call me and ask for a safe house that has the above setup with built-in defenses. Military and the bad guys want this not the public (unless the public has a big budget). Private companies as usual are leading the development in this area, military will be a big buyer of it and make some mods. I don't believe robots are at a point they will out smart us, I do believe they are something that can be unstable and attack an innocent person. Out thinking us, not yet.
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Post by brad on Oct 14, 2014 19:24:46 GMT 10
I should probably point out the reason why I don't think they will out think us yet. A quantum computer would be required to give a robot the ability to take multiple pieces of information at the same time and process them instantly with multiple outcomes/solutions and then chose the most effective solution on the spot. Standard computing will not allow this however quantum computing will. For this reason I don't believe they will be able to out smart us, and if there is a robot using quantum computing then it would be pretty large and easy to spot from a distance. Have a look at the link below as it shows you the current quantum computers and what it takes to run them. Not a small lightweight system yet. www.dwavesys.com/quantum-computing
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Oct 14, 2014 19:26:16 GMT 10
Have to agree about not being able to out think us. True AI has not yet been created and with the current limitations I Doubt it will be in the near future. For instance how do you create a program that can learn and think independently when all the existing programming languages require you to construct logic? free thought is chaotic and unstructured and hasn't got error handling coded in as such.
I do like the idea of a flying drone with the ability to recognize and eliminate targets with an automatic aiming rifle as in the link above, fly back to base to re fuel and re arm etc. Imagine even a dozen of them working as a team, damn near silent and deadly, as always though someone will figure out a way to beat them.
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 14, 2014 19:49:04 GMT 10
They have a few ai projects but as yet they're very much like infants. They also don't have the creative process we have to solve things in any way that they haven't been taught to do (yes these are self learning systems) they are a LOOOONG way from being a threat to anyone. A bigger threat atm is basic droids that are programed to execute specific functions.
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 14, 2014 19:50:49 GMT 10
Btw what we likely face first is bio enhancements. Or implants to facilitate various things like logging on to the Internet gits style.
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Post by brad on Oct 14, 2014 19:56:22 GMT 10
The coding isn't an issue, Starting with basic if/then/else logic to kick off the program will assist. I would guess the first gen will be used in battle as they will not be too concerned with failures during battle. Main reason I say that is the government doesn't put much value on the general public's life let alone the public in a country they are attacking.
If all the troops had a RFID chip or a patch as ID then the basic logic like; If ID = No then Target = 1, if weapon = yes then target = 2 and if target = 2 then attack = yes.
Once there have been a lot of trials and a tone of variables added to determine the definition of a target and the level of threat then they could look at adding in a write permissions for the program to enable learning. The robot is just a skeleton moving the program around allowing the program to "see" what is going on and the current situation so it can make some calculations.
Problem is quantum computing would be required to have any possibility of getting close to human thought and there is no way the current quantum computers can be made small enough for that yet.
something as basic as a arduino could be used to control a robots functions, if you bought a arduino you could connect it to a remote control car and give it some basic logic and watch it learn small tricks like when to stop, go, prevent a crash and so on. A robot has to have all this going on in the background, it has to know the terrain, it's current position and where all it's limbs are, temperature and current weather conditions, if it can walk or move to another area and work out if a person is a threat or not, then work out the best way to attack. Too much for current computers to run that type of program, quantum computers can.
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Post by wolfstar on Oct 14, 2014 20:20:43 GMT 10
What I mean by creativity is that it wouldn't be able to solve any problem that our hadn't already been taught to respond to. Our best hope at true ai imho as yet is digitally. A true ghost in the shell so to speak. But like I said, that is a looong way off lol. While ai in current applications is pretty good it still can't learn. Yet the ones they're allowing to learn themselves are kept confined to a system much like a child's body as yet. Like I said they're still very slow in processing what takes us all of half a second Lol
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