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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 2, 2016 23:24:58 GMT 10
Just a friendly reminder to mark your calendars for Wednesday, 9 November.
At some point between 11am and 2pm AEST we should learn the result of the US presidential election and all hell could break loose.
I'm planning a super sized grocery shop for the 8th and I plan to increase our cash on hand.
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Post by remnantprep on Nov 3, 2016 7:55:47 GMT 10
Will be watching that carefully! I stayed up to watch the Brexit vote and told a friend in the UK the result before they even knew!
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Post by paranoia on Nov 3, 2016 8:02:46 GMT 10
For me such a date will be a time of financial instability and not much else. The result will not make much of a difference for months.
A lot of the fear of shortages becomes a self fufilling prophecy. I'm curious as to the result but regardless of the outcome my plans do not change.
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Post by shinester on Nov 3, 2016 11:53:33 GMT 10
I'm not fussed, it's another country and at a great distance. Indeed it might have an effect on markets, stability a very important element of business risk.
I find the whole thing most interesting and amusing it's like it's the best 'TV show' this year, but it's real. The distance between fiction and reality is high, it's quite interesting to see large distortions, that can easily be shown looking at source material and the effect it has on people's belief and their emotions. In terms of people and their actions after the election, possibly. There's certainly a large number of people outraged at the differing standards that politicians seem to be held to in regards to law. Then there's people who are more likely to be induced to violence and dismantling of law for their own agendas. I've been paying attention to the matter with as much width as I can, that is from all sides and frankly I think there's a coming together and agreement that corruption and distortion are massive issues. Ideology being less of an issue and whilst there may well be some noise and potentially years of investigation and a potential constitutional crisis for Clinton [she can pardon herself!], I think there's more than enough push back against the corruption to see some return of normality, the name calling without fact for instance has lost much of it's sting, people are simply not subscribing to it as much and with it, the probable death of the reasons for violence, aka hate induction by political parties.
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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 3, 2016 14:13:57 GMT 10
I'm not fussed, it's another country and at a great distance. Indeed it might have an effect on markets, stability a very important element of business risk. I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories, but I would just point out that the 'another country' operates military bases in Australia, has nuclear warheads on Australian soil and controls a sizable nuclear arsenal in/near Australian waters... With all of the US-Russia rhetoric, all it is going to take is one individual to assasinate the president-elect and demonstrate a link back to Russia for WWIII to break out. I imagine that China would seize the opportunity to grab what it wants and North Korea will lob something at someone (because North Korea's leader is even more screwed up than Trump). At the end of the day my big grocery shop will not go to waste and having extra cash doesn't present any issues for me. But if there is a catalyst event in the US following the election I would be shocked if the riples do not affect Australians. Interesting reading re: Nukes on Australian soil: www.defence.gov.au/foi/docs/disclosures/421_1213_Documents.pdf
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Post by Beno on Nov 3, 2016 16:37:29 GMT 10
i'm going to so the same ziggysdad. i'll get some extra bulk foods and fuel just in case.
while i don't expect major problems initially i do think the US is in a fairly rapid decline20-30 years before chaos. their infrastructure is old, their debt untenable, their agression over the top. it would not take much to tip the balance. they could claw back but that would mean the end of globalism and free trade wouldn't it. apparently Trump-et said to a buch of big company executives that if they move their businesses to mexico he would slap a 35% tarriff on their products so they would not sell a thing in the US. i like that.
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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 3, 2016 17:25:40 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 3, 2016 19:13:43 GMT 10
Tonight on the news "the share market has fallen due to concerns about the result of the US election".
Does that mean they are scared if Clinton wins? or Trump?
They never said!!!
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Post by shinester on Nov 3, 2016 19:44:33 GMT 10
Presidents can put out executive orders, that is do it without the senate. They're supposed to be for wartime, but that's been long ignored.
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Post by ziggysdad on Nov 3, 2016 19:49:37 GMT 10
At this point they are preparing for riots in all major cities if either wins. I suspect it will quiet down fairly quickly, but we might see martial law after all.
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Post by paranoia on Nov 4, 2016 12:37:14 GMT 10
Tonight on the news "the share market has fallen due to concerns about the result of the US election". Does that mean they are scared if Clinton wins? or Trump? They never said!!! It really doesn't matter. Regardless of who wins the sharemarket will dip, precious metals will spike, americans will buy up all the ammo and guns they can afford. A few weeks later the market will correct and people will go back to pretending the ecconomy is fine and the debt isnt an issue. Sentiment is more emotion than anything else and people have short memories.
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Post by Peter on Nov 4, 2016 19:07:07 GMT 10
Perhaps my biggest short-term issue is the potential for a massive ammo shortage if she wins. No doubt US LAFOs will buy up every last round they can, meaning the US won't be exporting and other nations will export to the US.
Time to install another safe, methinks.
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Post by token on Nov 4, 2016 21:09:49 GMT 10
Perhaps my biggest short-term issue is the potential for a massive ammo shortage if she wins. No doubt US LAFOs will buy up every last round they can, meaning the US won't be exporting and other nations will export to the US. Time to install another safe, methinks. Reload Pete
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 4, 2016 21:33:32 GMT 10
Might try snag a few thousand 9mm and .223, think I've left it too late...
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 4, 2016 21:41:25 GMT 10
I dont reload yet... factory rounds.
Haven't found decent well priced 9mm in ages
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Post by graynomad on Nov 4, 2016 21:54:42 GMT 10
I have more brass and powder than I can poke a stick at, a shitload of projectiles plus about 150kgs of lead and my bullet molds just arrived a few days ago. But I'm low on primers, better get a few 1000 of them in eh?
Regardless of the US elections, I think it makes sense to be well stocked in case they try some sort of back-door gun "ban" by restricting ammo purchases.
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Post by Peter on Nov 4, 2016 22:02:51 GMT 10
Perhaps my biggest short-term issue is the potential for a massive ammo shortage if she wins. No doubt US LAFOs will buy up every last round they can, meaning the US won't be exporting and other nations will export to the US. Time to install another safe, methinks. Reload Pete When I get a bigger rifle, for sure. I currently have a .22 and a 12g - I'm not yet convinced of the cost/labour benefit of reloading these as yet. Of course, when I get larger calibres & handguns, that will be a different story.
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Post by shinester on Nov 5, 2016 10:43:13 GMT 10
I dont reload yet... factory rounds. Haven't found decent well priced 9mm in ages Reloading for 9mm is a good deal bud. How's 15c a round? Of course it can go up from there if you load you use quality primers and if you buy cast projectiles.
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Post by token on Nov 5, 2016 11:05:26 GMT 10
When I get a bigger rifle, for sure. I currently have a .22 and a 12g - I'm not yet convinced of the cost/labour benefit of reloading these as yet. Of course, when I get larger calibres & handguns, that will be a different story. I wouldnt bother reloads on a rim fire shell as ive seen such but they are way too inaccurate imo. But the 12g i would absolutely get a Lee second hand reloading press. I have one and way easier than other rifle reloading, not to mention fun, as well as giving the ability to change loads in shells if you need to. i paid under $300 for mine second hand, twas stoked! Having said that i have a lot of friends who state 'it probably costs more as shells cost this right now' and i get that, but that then means im not self sufficient, i have to go to 'the man' again to get stuff. Also, i dont trust that prices and other things will stay that way. Make sure you have the right wads for the right shells and with some clay shot the winy primers wont seat. try to find shells 8 year old if possible as wads on newer stuff can be almost impossible to find. I guarantee anyone who reloads with the Lee 12 g press will thank me for it. EDIT, i cant speak for this one, mines different to this link, more metal www.ebay.com.au/itm/Lee-Load-All-II-12-Gauge-Shotshell-Reloading-Press-90013-/331991485990?hash=item4d4c3c0e26:g:-VAAAOxyBjBTRfvd
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 5, 2016 12:06:05 GMT 10
Is that 15c a round for factory pressures? I don't want to download from my social use rounds.
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