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Post by Peter on Jul 4, 2017 23:46:44 GMT 10
According to most sources I’ve looked at, an adult male consumes an average of 8,700 kJ per day.
As an example, a 425g can of Stagg Chili “Classic Chili with Beans” provides 515kJ of energy.
Based on this, I should [statistically, as an adult male] consume 16.89 cans of this chili per day (8,700/515=16.89), which equates to 7.18kg of the stuff. To put it another way, a family of four (and yes, I know that young kids normally require a fair bit less, but bear with me) will require 473 cans of the stuff per week (201kg). This seems to me to be a ridiculously high volume of food.
Am I missing something? Have I misplaced a decimal point somewhere? Or do we just eat a craptonne more food than I realise?
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Post by paranoia on Jul 5, 2017 0:04:32 GMT 10
Math is correct, chilli just isn't super dense. Much of those canned goods are water, thickener with a bit of flavour.
On the other hand a can of spam contains around 4300 kJ. (and it weighs less!)
EDIT: Just had a bit of a dig in the pantry and all those little 95 gram flavoured tunas are 550 - 600 kJ each... Another reasonable density can and my personal favourite, Vanilla creamed rice (aldi brand $1 a piece) 1800kJ for a 430g can.
EDIT 2: I found a similar product from heins in the pantry... it was 550 kJ, per serve, 2 servings per pack.
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 5, 2017 0:13:27 GMT 10
I don't have a can of stagg chili to check, but when I googled it the nutrition panel had a very different number - it said one serve - 247g - has 1357kJ. Now if this is the nutrition panel from a US can, it could be quite diff from Aus, but I find it difficult to imagine it is only 515kJ for the whole can. I could be wrong though.
Could you possibly have looked at the wrong number on the can?
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 5, 2017 0:23:43 GMT 10
Just looking at an Au label for the Stagg Chili.
It looks like there are 564 Calories per can. This is from an Australian label that I googled so it may be different to the label you are looking at, but it seems more likely than 515 kJ. Perhaps you were looking at Calories (kcal) not kilojoules (kJ). To convert Calories to kJ you multiply by approx 4.2.
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2017 0:31:39 GMT 10
Let's just move along and pretend this post never happened; I made an error in calculating the can volume vs the kJ per 100g.
And this, people, is why you should never update your storage inventory at 4am when the kids wake you up. Dammit, this has been worrying me all day...
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Post by paranoia on Jul 5, 2017 0:45:05 GMT 10
On the plus side you just quadrupled your food storage!
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2017 0:46:09 GMT 10
Seriously, never underestimate the effect of a lack of sleep.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 5, 2017 0:49:13 GMT 10
Seriously, never underestimate the effect of a lack of sleep. As someone with a history of anxiety induced insomnia, I don't! It can get a lot worse than miscalculating your calorie intake...
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2017 1:15:23 GMT 10
I don't doubt it. There's a reason that sleep deprivation has been used as a form of torture throughout history. Not that my younglings have taken me to that level... yet...
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Post by tomatoes on Jul 5, 2017 8:20:55 GMT 10
Thank goodness! Imagine having to eat 16 cans of chili beans a day!!!
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 5, 2017 11:43:56 GMT 10
Anxiety induced Insomnia sucks! And eating 16 cans of beans a day will see you never leaving the toilet!!
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2017 12:07:23 GMT 10
Just to be clear, I do have greater variety in the pantry than just [various makes & models] of chili...
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Post by ml8300 on Jul 5, 2017 13:29:13 GMT 10
Just to be clear, I do have greater variety in the pantry than just [various makes & models] of chili... Yes, different sizes and flavors of tuna.
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Post by Peter on Jul 5, 2017 17:37:54 GMT 10
Heck, I could write a list of the tuna varieties I have...
An interesting note: just last night I tried some canned Red Salmon - which is considerably more expensive than pink salmon. I was seriously unimpressed, so I won't be adding any more of that to the pantry.
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Post by spatial on Jul 5, 2017 19:13:07 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Jul 5, 2017 19:30:15 GMT 10
Chilli is a good thing to have as it is a natural antibiotic. A fried of mine based on a family of 4 stored one can of soup mix and can of meat and one packed of pasta and some odds like salt for each day of storage he wanted.
Just checking the Aus calculator it is only giving enough water for 2 weeks and bleach to disinfect the rest of the required months. As I also tell the wife there is opportunity for veg and herb garden that we have going (veg seed stored) as well as wild edibles and hunting and fishing. Could also start breading rabbits.
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Post by blueshoes on Jul 5, 2017 19:48:52 GMT 10
I'm going to pretend i didn't crack up reading this thread.
Um, i find around 1000 calories is usually enough for a day of staying quiet at home, 2000 is enough for doing strenuous work (gardening, building stuff, bushwalking etc) - don't forget to factor in expected energy levels. You don't want to be overeating because you "should".
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Post by spatial on Jul 5, 2017 20:12:22 GMT 10
I'm going to pretend i didn't crack up reading this thread. Um, i find around 1000 calories is usually enough for a day of staying quiet at home, 2000 is enough for doing strenuous work (gardening, building stuff, bushwalking etc) - don't forget to factor in expected energy levels. You don't want to be overeating because you "should". I have a bit of inbuilt storage so could reduce caloric intake by 20% for the first good few months. Despite all the gym and exercise I do - simply eat too much. Woman generally have a much lower metabolism and caloric burn than men. Men are usually long gone while the woman are doing fine. Post SHTF is is more gardening walking around chopping wood doing patrols and stress so caloric burn will be high, unless one is just waiting things out in their house as neighbours will start moving on after 3 months of no food.
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Post by Peter on Jul 6, 2017 7:04:01 GMT 10
Um, i find around 1000 calories is usually enough for a day of staying quiet at home, 2000 is enough for doing strenuous work (gardening, building stuff, bushwalking etc) - don't forget to factor in expected energy levels. You don't want to be overeating because you "should". Agreed on all points. I'm allowing around 8,700kJ per day for myself (which converts to 2,079 calories). Yes, I'm storing to provide for the full amount, while I'll most likely eat less (unless working hard). I'd rather overestimate my requirements than underestimate.
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Post by Pasta Deefa on Jul 6, 2017 11:14:35 GMT 10
Another reasonable density can and my personal favourite, Vanilla creamed rice (aldi brand $1 a piece) 1800kJ for a 430g can.
I just bought a bunch of these cans on a whim. There are heating instructions on the side of the can, but is the stuff any good cold?
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