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Post by Joey on Jul 10, 2017 12:30:42 GMT 10
I'm a fatty Limited on types of exercise I can do due to several back problems that someone of my age shouldn't have, but it's no excuse why I can't get off my arse to do more lol At least when I'm out hunting I can do 10+km in a day over all sorts of terrain and keep going the next day, now if only I can get permission to get out hunting more... But on the topic of the "fake preppers" or posers, they just drag down the rest of us, or at least the public perception of us by being all gung-ho. Just like that kid in WA who got interviewed about prepping, and just said straight up that he would attack others for food/supplies
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 10, 2017 13:12:47 GMT 10
That is part of the reason I started the 'what have you done to improve your physical fitness' thread last year.
My weight fluctuates hugely (I've lost 33 kg in the fast 2 1/2 months), but I exercise every day and would be one of the most physically fit 130 kg men you'll ever meet.
That said, I know from past experience, that my optimum weight is 110-115 kg - this was what I weighed at the peak of my shot put/hammer career when I was an Olympic hopeful.
I got down to 88 kg after I retired from throwing and I was skin and bones.
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Post by token on Jul 10, 2017 13:48:33 GMT 10
Never underestimate an overweight person, whether male or female, its a massive mistake and i can prove this in multiple examples.
Im in my 40's, but i have body building/fitness experience, as well as having worked with huge amounts of overweight people, male and female. I also have hunting experience with pushing the body to sometimes pretty hard extremes in order to take quarry. Once, my legs stopped working and seized. I couldnt move for a time because my body couldnt take it anymore. I later invested in a PLB because where i go and the things i did, to be honest were extremely dangerous and i would quite possibly never be found if i had an accident.
Enough of me, i say this as a flash credential for also having been overweight myself, as well as getting around in all these events with very overweight people.
I will never ever look at someone even with their guts hanging over their belt and hanging down through their t shirt. I have seen explosive power, incredible weight lifting strength, whether weights or animals, or steel beams used to raise houses by people obese.
I have hiked with these, cut wood with these, know of folk who can swing massive chainsaws all day everyday for 10-12 hours who are overweight. Once, an overweight lady, hand split a massive load of firewood, i could not believe it, the job would have broken most men.
Ive seen them reign in stock, and horses, pick up animals and slam their to the ground.
As for fitness, i know of a number of women that would have lean and or muscly lean mean puking their guts out in the corner and begging for mercy, and although it is difficult to watch these women wear lycra and wonder what on earth they are thinking, massive respect when you see the work ethic and stamina.
My point, i have learned not to judge, because early years taught me fat doesnt mean lazy, weak, lack of stamina or strength, and much more.
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Post by token on Jul 10, 2017 14:26:03 GMT 10
I wasn't accusing obese people of being lazy or incapable, just not interested in longevity of life. Not a trait that a prepper should have. Im not sure that i subscribe to the measurements which determine a person obese, or morbidly obese, or the ever changing science and views regarding having some chub limiting life span either. Of course, being really heavy 'can' cause issues, but i would disagree on all the determinations of such if that makes sense.
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 10, 2017 14:28:08 GMT 10
Never underestimate an overweight person, whether male or female, its a massive mistake and i can prove this in multiple examples. ... My point, i have learned not to judge, because early years taught me fat doesn't mean lazy, weak, lack of stamina or strength, and much more. Some would argue that adipose tissue is nature's 'prep' against famine.
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 10, 2017 14:29:32 GMT 10
Link for anyone curious
Note that they have a number of up-armored trucks and offer pick-up within a 600 mile radius in the event of SHTF event.
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Post by spatial on Jul 10, 2017 17:36:21 GMT 10
The obese guy guarding the bunker is just a paid guard the real owners of the bunker are the multi-million dollar guys - yes some of them might be obese as well.
But their survival strategy is to have total possible preparedness including top medical facilities. Being obese does reduce your life span and there is some argument about quality of life. Prepping it to be able to give food and security to your family and not watch your family die of starvation or be brutally attacked. I don't have the kind of money for those kinds of preps so I work on physical fitness, as I am going to need it. Being obese can also be seen as having a disability - just because a person has a disability does not mean they should not prep. If one is truly serous about prepping you would work on your physical fitness to be able to escape a if a situation arises like an earthquake or terror attack.
I would say most of those billion dollar guys and gals are not peppers just fork out $5Mil for a fully stocked bunker and a means to get there. $5mil to them is like you dropping a 20c piece into a gutter and making the decision not to fetch it. They don't think like preppers and have none of the classical prepper skills, just a deep wallet and buy a spot in a bunker complex as a small insurance policy.
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Post by graynomad on Jul 10, 2017 18:03:52 GMT 10
Link for anyone curious Note that they have a number of up-armored trucks and offer pick-up within a 600 mile radius in the event of SHTF event. Thanks for that link ZD, I just caught the last few minutes last night and was pissed off I didn't see the lot. PS. why do ALL the apocalypse graphics have people in bloody gas masks?
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Post by Paul on Jul 10, 2017 19:20:19 GMT 10
I watched it on 60 minutes the other night, I don't call these people preppers, The bloke setting it up might be but all the people paying million's of dollars to live there are not. These people just have to much money so they think it is cool. I think the bloke setting it up might be on a winner. Get all these rich people to pay for his bunker then don't let them in. I wonder if that crosses there minds. Yeh sure we have a truck coming to get you(hahaha)
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Post by paranoia on Jul 10, 2017 19:24:04 GMT 10
Link for anyone curious Note that they have a number of up-armored trucks and offer pick-up within a 600 mile radius in the event of SHTF event. Thanks for that link ZD, I just caught the last few minutes last night and was pissed off I didn't see the lot. PS. why do ALL the apocalypse graphics have people in bloody gas masks?...because they look cool?
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Post by paranoia on Jul 10, 2017 19:34:50 GMT 10
I'd hesistate to call the 'pay-to-players' preppers purely for the fact you cannot buy your way into somthing like preparedness. Just like you cant buy your way into being a good shooter, golfer, driver, farmer... it takes time, expirence and skill development. They're still miles ahead of the average person though...
On the subject of ruling out someone as being a prepper based on being overweight I don't see it. You could take that line of thinking to the extreme to rule out smoking, drinking, buying a coffee when you're out, eating chocolate, going out for dinner or wasting a cent on anything other than survivalism.
I agree people should take good care of themselves. However if you compare generic out of shape man to generic out of shape man with a well stocked pantry, its hard to say the latter isn't being prepared.
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Post by jo on Jul 10, 2017 19:44:09 GMT 10
I agree with Token, I too am considered a "fatty" however I can outlast and outwork a girl who is half my age and she is considered fit... yes she starves herself, yes she can run 5k and push weights etc.... the big BUT is that she can only do physical stuff for about an hour then she is stuffed for the rest of the day, has to have a nap or rest for 48 hours.... meanwhile back at the ranch I have just spent the whole weekend digging over a large veggie patch, walked around several markets and spring cleaned my house and still ok to drive for 3.5 hours then work for 8 hours today. Don't asume that overweight people are less healthy as where I work we see just as many "fit n healthy" people coming through with serious illness as overweight people.
My prepping journey has had its ups and downs but I am being as prepared as I can.... thinking how I can feed myself without power.... how i can supply myself with food in a years time...... yes I bought a house that I can clean without power, yes I bought a house away from people, yes I can do physical work from daylight to dusk, go to bed then get up and do it all over again day after day am I less a prepper because I am overweight? Am I any less healthy than my friend who walks 10k a day (considered healthy) who had a heart attack 3 months ago?
Phew rant over lol
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 10, 2017 19:55:35 GMT 10
Great topic - fake preppers - as admin, and from previous experiences on 2 other forums, we always had the "hero" types - I can do anything, I have everything, I can shoot the ol' fella off a bee with open sights at 500m, blah, blah, blah, blah.....
Honestly, we called them out, and they scuttled away.
Like with many things in life, speaking for myself only, I am on a learning trip - sure I have done a lot in life, travelled all over the world, had a lot of great, and nasty, experiences, so you could say I am pretty knowledgeable in quite a few things. Am I an expert?? Hell NO!! I try to learn something every day, that will help me prepare that little bit better.
I look at it this way - a "real" prepper won't draw attention to him/her self. Why advertise who you are ( seriously, would a real prepper put their face on media for all to see??? ). Why advertise what you have, even what skills you claim to have. Seriously, when the shtf, these fakes will be the first to fall onto the ground sucking their thumbs, rocking backwards and forwards in the foetal position, calling out for mummy!!!
Does weigh have a bearing on whether you are a "real" or "fake" prepper??? No, but, a "real" prepper concerned about their own well being will acknowledge that the weigh needs/has to come off, and will do something about it ( as I have read from the comments above ). Same here. I'm a tad over 6:1" and weigh about 101kg. Am I doing anything about it?? Yes, exercising, working outdoors manual labour, and healthy eating - downfall is the chilled amber fluids whose temptation I succumb to most nights.
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
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Post by blueshoes on Jul 10, 2017 21:28:48 GMT 10
On fake preppers... I can't help thinking that being stuck in a bunker with silicon valley types in serious events would be painful. There'd probably be no internet to connect out to ...
They gave them a fair run I thought - the guy they were focusing on mentioned it's not just for TEOTWAWKI events but things like hurricanes knocking out all systems for months too.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 10, 2017 21:49:18 GMT 10
On fake preppers... I can't help thinking that being stuck in a bunker with silicon valley types in serious events would be painful. There'd probably be no internet to connect out to ... They gave them a fair run I thought - the guy they were focusing on mentioned it's not just for TEOTWAWKI events but things like hurricanes knocking out all systems for months too.
It's actually one of the most reasonable reports on preparedness I've seen to date. It's still main stream media so he had to ask a few of the 'are you guys crazy?' questions but it did feel like an honest report.
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Post by graynomad on Jul 10, 2017 22:23:30 GMT 10
I wonder how it would go having 10 (or 20 or whatever) families living in one of these silos. They probably don't know each other from Adam and to make matters worse many of them would have large egos and be used to getting their own way.
Personally I think it would go tits up pretty quick.
Still, to have a reasonably unbiased story on prime time TV is interesting and may show a change in attitude towards being prepared.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 10, 2017 22:30:37 GMT 10
I wonder how it would go having 10 (or 20 or whatever) families living in one of these silos. They probably don't know each other from Adam and to make matters worse many of them would have large egos and be used to getting their own way. Personally I think it would go tits up pretty quick. Still, to have a reasonably unbiased story on prime time TV is interesting and may show a change in attitude towards being prepared.
Another great point! The sense of entitlement having bought your position in the bunker would lead to similar situations to what we see when disasters hit resorts. A bunch of people standing around ing waiting to be given their rations.
A 10 or 20 family bunker could work with a sense of community and a culture of all pitching in. I really don't think that property developer will have the staff to keep these people happy.
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Post by volks on Jul 11, 2017 1:19:40 GMT 10
" Fake Preppers " is that like a Fake Millionaire 😂
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 11, 2017 7:33:39 GMT 10
Thanks for that link ZD, I just caught the last few minutes last night and was pissed off I didn't see the lot. PS. why do ALL the apocalypse graphics have people in bloody gas masks?...because they look cool? You have to see the TV appeal of a gas mask with a $3,000 suit
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Post by ziggysdad on Jul 11, 2017 8:07:55 GMT 10
Much like painting all overweight people with a broad brush stroke, I would encourage you to think differently about the ultra-rich (i.e. Silicon Valley types). You can't begrudge them for seeing a future that few others could have imagined and sacrificing for decades to achieve that - even if their reward is billions of dollars.
I've known lots of these types - founders of Silicon Valley - and some of them are amazingly grounded (the co-founder of Intel told me a story about how once cracked safes for the sheriff's department using nitroglycerin).
Intel cofounder Gordon Moore set off his first boom in Silicon Valley two decades before pioneering the design of the integrated circuit. One afternoon in 1940, near the spot where Interstate 280 intersects Sand Hill Road today, the future father of the semiconductor industry knelt beside a cache of homemade dynamite and lit the fuse. He was 11 years old.
Moore’s pyrotechnic adventures grew out of his experiments with a neighbor’s chemistry set. He turned a shed beside the family house into a lab, stocking it with chemicals mail-ordered from San Francisco and filling an old dresser with beakers and funnels. Now retired, the 77-year-old Moore looks back on his days and nights in the shed as a time when he learned to think and work like a scientist. “The things I made, like nitroglycerin, took a fair amount of lab technique,” he recalls. “I specialized in explosives because they were fun, and I liked doing things that got results in a hurry.”
Moore is currently worth over $7.6 billion, but he is just a guy who likes playing with explosives and fishing as much as possible. I wouldn't mind holing up with him in a missile silo.
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