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Post by norseman on Nov 29, 2019 10:26:33 GMT 10
It Brings Back A "Better" More Sustainable, Meaningful, World?
Or is it just better to keep running with the same system thus pushing further and further down the proverbial shit hole our kids and our grandkids??
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Post by Beno on Nov 29, 2019 10:29:15 GMT 10
depends? what does reset mean?
my 2c....we won’t change for anything.
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Post by norseman on Nov 29, 2019 13:02:29 GMT 10
depends? what does reset mean? my 2c....we won’t change for anything. Say for example total Economic Collapse of Western World etc.
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Post by frostbite on Nov 29, 2019 14:11:39 GMT 10
Will what grows out of the ruins be any better?
My personal solution is to have a private retreat where I can forget about the outside world. No traffic, no neighbours, and very little interference from the grubbyment.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 29, 2019 15:14:15 GMT 10
depends? what does reset mean? my 2c....we won’t change for anything. Say for example total Economic Collapse of Western World etc. Russia has been through this already. Total restructure after the end of communism there. Lots of interesting accounts scattered around on the net and in books from people who have been through it. General consensus of Russian people is that it worked out for the best even though the journey was rather harsh for the first decade.
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Post by wanderer on Nov 30, 2019 1:52:16 GMT 10
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Post by Joey on Nov 30, 2019 8:37:10 GMT 10
Love these 2 chestnuts.. 16.8 Broaden and strengthen the participation of developing countries in the institutions of global governance
16.9 By 2030, provide legal identity for all, including birth registrationUN-NWO and breeding licenses as well as population reduction as were discussed when the original Agenda 21 was introduced at the Earth Summit in Rio in 1992. In my mind a total reset would open the doors for mass corruption and totalitarian dictatorship rule if it came on as a sudden change rather then a "controlled" reorganisation as seen with the USSR
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Post by frostbite on Nov 30, 2019 9:38:54 GMT 10
The UN are just a cesspit of toothless dreamers who have never, and probably will never, have the military means to implement or enforce any of their new world ideals. I don't lose any sleep over them.
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Post by spatial on Nov 30, 2019 12:44:55 GMT 10
It Brings Back A "Better" More Sustainable, Meaningful, World? Or is it just better to keep running with the same system thus pushing further and further down the proverbial shit hole our kids and our grandkids?? All one has to do is set up a society that is governed by the US constitution.. Freed to carry arms, having a standing army is illegal according to the US constitution, right to own property without tax etc.. The US constitution is no longer enforced. One has to also do away with all gov welfare as that leads to vote for me and we will give you more benefits for free.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 30, 2019 18:33:31 GMT 10
This is worth a read to get a feel for what a massive upheaval does to a country. It's pretty clear that Russia was fortunate to eventually find itself with Vlad in charge after the total anarchy of the Yeltsin years. A man with sufficient principle to take on and slowly dismantle the oligarch state and restore stability and national pride. Who might be the Wests Putin? The person who does actually 'drain the swamp' and kick off a rebirth? www.britannica.com/place/Russia/Post-Soviet-Russia
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Post by SA Hunter on Nov 30, 2019 19:57:38 GMT 10
This is worth a read to get a feel for what a massive upheaval does to a country. It's pretty clear that Russia was fortunate to eventually find itself with Vlad in charge after the total anarchy of the Yeltsin years. A man with sufficient principle to take on and slowly dismantle the oligarch state and restore stability and national pride. Who might be the Wests Putin? The person who does actually 'drain the swamp' and kick off a rebirth? www.britannica.com/place/Russia/Post-Soviet-RussiaMaybe he could become a citizen here and clean up our mess. I think some of his greatest feats were paying off debt to the World Bank, then put out an arrest warrant for George Sorros. Russia's debt is down to about $250bn, and for the first time ever, gold holdings exceed debt. His greatest feat imho - instilling pride back into the country, his thumbing his nose at the world/US/NATO/UN and doing what is best for his nation over what anyone else thinks. He's far from perfect, but what he has done for Russia is amazing.
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Post by Peter on Dec 2, 2019 23:15:14 GMT 10
Yep, that's what we need here. A government leader who actually works for our country: not the UN, not our neighbours, not the greenies, but for our own country.
I had high hopes for Abbott, but unfortunately the greater powers had him outed...
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Post by milspec on Dec 3, 2019 8:29:47 GMT 10
Yep, that's what we need here. A government leader who actually works for our country: not the UN, not our neighbours, not the greenies, but for our own country. I had high hopes for Abbott, but unfortunately the greater powers had him outed... I agree wholeheartedly with the first part of your comment, can't say I was a fan of Abbot's views on marriage equality though, hence I was glad to see him go. I would also add that we need leadership which doesn't put economic growth via immigration ahead of quality of life and security of our country. ... and one which has the guts to acknowledge which sections of the community undermine our quality of life and security and do something effective to get rid of them. In a nutshell I would like to see a government that can put aside their personal/ political /financial aspirations and act on the real issues without getting hung up on the niff naff and trivia whilst achieving nothing or increasing our vulnerability. Ok, that was a long sentence rather than a nutshell, sorry!
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Post by norseman on Dec 3, 2019 8:53:45 GMT 10
We need less Government at all levels!
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Post by spinifex on Dec 3, 2019 17:14:31 GMT 10
I must admit I find state government a strange thing. Surely the days of colonial integration are now so far back that we can delete that layer and just have federal and local government layers?
But less government full stop? Not sure. Things seemed to be going ok for Oz when a lot of banks, utilities, medical facilities, comms and transport were all state owned (ie More Government.) The more those things have been 'privatised' (ie Corporatised) the harder we get milked.
What we seem to have now is too much regulation/compliance and too much government built around that.
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Post by frostbite on Dec 3, 2019 17:44:57 GMT 10
We can all dream about a system of government we prefer, but we can't make change whilst the vast majority of Australians are brain dead, so we are left to do whatever we can as individuals to minimize the impact of government on our lives.
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Post by Beno on Dec 3, 2019 20:14:28 GMT 10
local governments are too corrupt to manage planning, zoning, approvals etc. They are only good for services such as rubbish, local roads and water/sewer.
Federal gov are useless too, can’t procure decent military equip i.e. joint dud fighters, eurocrapter, MRH90..... can’t manage what they have.
State gov are a combo of both but do good work. State gov is constrained by the other two and creates mega wastage.
no gov doesn't work and limited gov does nothing much either so see comment above as this is he reality.
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Post by milspec on Dec 3, 2019 21:44:44 GMT 10
We can all dream about a system of government we prefer, but we can't make change whilst the vast majority of Australians are brain dead, so we are left to do whatever we can as individuals to minimize the impact of government on our lives. Yeah that pretty much sums up why being a prepper is a necessity these days. Its crazy that people appear to need a catastrophe to refocus on what's genuinely important in life but that seems to be the way we are headed.
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Post by wanderer on Dec 4, 2019 0:04:11 GMT 10
In regards to state and fed levels of government i say dont buy into the illusion. Boot licking services dealt out by the overlords are a detriment now and further down the line, more and more levels of compliance and regulation that has been mentioned by spinifex. Play their game and you will get played. Societal reset is already underway, its a slow burn in, get enough sheep to fight among eachother and join in their fake wars and politics (left vs right, red vs blue) while dumbing down middle and lower classes through education that enables most to just push buttons and chase balls, not really gaining any real world education.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 7, 2019 12:05:48 GMT 10
100% agree Wanderer. There is a LOT of fakery that goes on that is all designed to divert attention. Politicians/senior civil servants/corporate executives are actually very much like magicians in that sense.
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