frostbite
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Post by frostbite on Jan 2, 2020 16:04:48 GMT 10
Damn. So an old tinny, a nag I bought my daughter when she was young, a couple cases of cleanskin cab sav, and my old Hyundai doesn't cut it?
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Post by graynomad on Jan 3, 2020 11:36:24 GMT 10
You'll know you've really arrived in the gentleman's circle when you own a cruising yacht and some internationally renowned race horses. An 'investment grade' wine cellar with at least a half million worth of contents is also looked upon favorably. As is a minimum of $1 million worth of car. That's me to a T, minus the yatch, horses, wine cellar, and car.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 3, 2020 13:07:51 GMT 10
www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/6563900/editorial-better-to-be-kind-in-these-uncharted-dark-times/?fbclid=IwAR02d85cXsf3xL8ACRDgRrXBqTUdznwUzVuDH03GqSEIMoxQq8fto4BETEcWhy do I find it so hard to find empathy for those that put themselves in this situation, particularly the tourists (some of whom are friends). I guess you can't help stupid. Lessons for me from this unfolding disaster: *be prepared for disaster, wherever you are * the official response will be slow, and then probably insufficient *local response will be quicker but will be more insufficient, unless you get lucky (my friend and her 3 daughters got billeted in a nice house with a pool, owned by a chef) *never have less than half a tank of fuel *always keep cash on hand *always take the opportunity to show spouse how important your preps are in situations like this, so the purse strings open a little wider
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Post by norseman on Jan 3, 2020 14:49:32 GMT 10
Always have cash! Always have lots of fuel in the tank! Always have a battery operated transistor radio! Do not trust the Gooberment to save you! They will always be late and they will always fall short! Do not blindly follow the sheeple masses! *Do not blindly follow directions from Emergency Services they fukk up just like everyone else does (critical thinking first)!
* Yesterday South Coast Cops caused massive traffic chaos by ordering tourists to leave asap but then failed to manage traffic flow which resulted in people being gridlocked in their cars for up to twelve hours (many overnight 6pm to 6am) !! Intervention only came when desperate travellers began calling radio stations for help! Highway Patrol was finally dispatched to get traffic flowing again!!
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Post by bug on Jan 3, 2020 14:57:25 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Jan 3, 2020 15:18:35 GMT 10
If you are on Facebook go to the Batemans Bay Noticeboard. It seems to be the best source of real time, first hand intel. Plenty of pleas for help, plenty of offers of help, and the odd story of stealing and looting.
Norseman, I know the cop running the show down there. I'll get his take on the fookup next time I see him.
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Post by pugs on Jan 4, 2020 7:01:30 GMT 10
Also check out opp shops for pure wool blankets , a mate and I cleaned out the opp shop in Mortlake Vic when we found a pile of single and double blankets , they were $1&2 respectively each .
Hope all you guys and girls are staying safe , I have2 mates currently at each end of the state on the fire line ....
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Post by frostbite on Jan 4, 2020 7:50:50 GMT 10
I already bought 2 blankets from Creswick, because Spinifex accused me of being rich. The surplus store in Goulburn that SA Hunter linked is out of stock. Was going to buy a third blanket for daughter, but she advises already has one (army issue perhaps?). In fact daughter is on evac warning in ACT, and seems to be fully sorted. She told me this morning she has week worth of food, water, baby formula, nappies, p2 masks etc stored and never lets car get below half tank fuel. She wasn't this prepared before the current crisis, so that's a positive to already emerge from the fires. Emergency evac order also for my coastal retreat. Everyone in outlaying area told to evacuate to emergency centre in town. Haven't got a whole lot to lose there, but we'll see if caravan and shed survives today. Mrs already thinking about exactly where on property we will be putting the underground fire bunker. I guess that might end my plans of a brand new Mustang
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Post by norseman on Jan 5, 2020 5:38:56 GMT 10
Worth reading in full folks! Anyone noticed how most of these fires have started in National Parks, dormant State Forest and Council Controlled Land? This is from 15 years ago! www.smh.com.au/national/carrs-green-legacy-is-a-black-mark-20050730-gdls3p.htmlThe problem with the pristine wilderness concept is that it ignores history. Much of our landscape was managed by Aboriginal people for maybe 60,000 years, through hunting and the use of fire. This management was sufficiently intrusive for it to have affected the distribution and density of many plant and animal populations. After the Aboriginal people were dispossessed, white people continued to manage much of the land that is now national park, with fire and logging. As with Aboriginal use of fire, the aim was to keep the land open, to avoid the vegetation thickening, and also to keep animal populations at certain levels through hunting. So, traditionally, people have been a part of nature, not separate from it. Creating a national park and then, as this Government has done, largely letting "nature take its course", means this history stops. Gradually the vegetation thickens, the fuel load grows, the animal populations expand, and weeds proliferate. The park becomes a sort of toxic ecological volcano, spewing out fire, kangaroos, weed seeds, and feral animals such as wild dogs into the surrounding countryside. It takes a few decades to reach this point. A lot of our national parks were created in the 1970s and 1980s, which is why these problems started to become acute in the 1990s.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 5, 2020 5:44:53 GMT 10
Looting and stealing being reported in the fire zones. Cops too busy to intervene.
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Post by norseman on Jan 5, 2020 5:53:04 GMT 10
Looting and stealing being reported in the fire zones. Cops too busy to intervene. Not the cops fault! It takes time to issue a ticket for an empty wiper reservoir!
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Post by frostbite on Jan 5, 2020 6:55:39 GMT 10
Looting and stealing being reported in the fire zones. Cops too busy to intervene. Not the cops fault! It takes time to issue a ticket for an empty wiper reservoir! You been using the wife's facebook account?
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Post by norseman on Jan 5, 2020 8:10:09 GMT 10
Not the cops fault! It takes time to issue a ticket for an empty wiper reservoir! You been using the wife's facebook account? She is my appointed Media Advisor !
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Post by spinifex on Jan 5, 2020 9:54:57 GMT 10
Huge destructive bushfires are, unfortunately, cyclic events driven by seasonal weather. Little to do with government policy of the time. www.ffm.vic.gov.au/history-and-incidents/past-bushfires" From December 1938 to January 1939, peaked on Friday 13 January – Black Friday.
The fires burned 1.5 to 2 million hectares, including 800,000 hectares of protected forest, 600,000 hectares of reserved forest and 4,000 hectares of plantations. They killed 71 people and destroyed more than 650 buildings and the township of Narbethong.
The fires affected almost every section of Victoria. Areas hardest hit included Noojee, Woods Point, Omeo, Warrandyte and Yarra Glen. Other areas affected included Warburton, Erica, Rubicon, Dromana, Mansfield, the Otway Ranges and the Grampian Ranges." What is perhaps more concerning is the trend of increasing extreme dryness we seem to be stuck on. This decimates agriculture and sets the stage for the big fires. Not much that government policy can do about this either. " When compared to other 35-month periods commencing in January, the 35 months from January 2017 to November 2019 has been the driest on record averaged over the Murray–Darling Basin. New South Wales received over 100 mm less rainfall than the next driest period, ending November 1902 during the Federation Drought. Other areas affected by longer-term rainfall deficiencies include eastern Victoria, eastern and northern Tasmania and some parts of southwest Western Australia."
"The dry conditions of the last three years have been particularly acute during the cool season, which is important in many regions for generating runoff. April−September rainfall totalled across the three years was the lowest on record across almost all New South Wales, apart from some coastal areas and parts of the far west, as well as in most of subtropical Queensland. All three years had seasonal rainfall below 125 mm for New South Wales; there is no previous instance of two consecutive years below 125 mm, or three consecutive years below 175 mm. The very much below average October and November rainfall in 2019 over most of the main water catchments of New South Wales and the Murray–Darling Basin as a whole has further exacerbated the effect of low inflows to date." www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/
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Post by frostbite on Jan 5, 2020 13:20:10 GMT 10
Shout out to Milspec. I hope that fire (I won't say which one) not getting too close to your place. Need a temporary home for those handguns?
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Post by milspec on Jan 5, 2020 17:19:14 GMT 10
Shout out to Milspec. I hope that fire (I won't say which one) not getting too close to your place. Need a temporary home for those handguns? 😄, thanks Frosbite, it would be fair to say that I have a pretty impressive pelican case of firearms & sights ready to go.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 5, 2020 18:23:03 GMT 10
Anyone noticed how most of these fires have started in National Parks, dormant State Forest and Council Controlled Land? >>>>>>>>>> Pretty much the same here this last summer.. We had a much lower fire season last summer, but if you put an overlay of provincial and national parks over the fire locations, about 80% would match...
Is there a pattern here, or is it just me ?? >>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<< The problem with the pristine wilderness concept is that it ignores history.
Exactly... Over time a history of smaller fires renewed the forests as natures plan. One fire isolating the movement of the next fire. A lot of details like that very few know or understand the connections of.
Your cycle of the last 3 years very dry is another history lesson that is likely little understood. A lot of problem is people want something like a fire and recovery to happen instantly. Or in less than there life time. Mother Nature works on her own time table.. All the feel good agenda legislation, regulation, overriding management science so many times contributes to worse outcomes when nature does natures thing.
Don't get me started...
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Post by bug on Jan 6, 2020 14:12:18 GMT 10
Australia's problem is that to make hunting easier, the Aboriginies regularly burnt the bush. This has been going on for 40,000 yrs. The bush has now adapted to this and forest fires are a part of the natural cycle. Short of cutting down every eucalypt and replacing them with pre-Holocene plantings, not sure there's much we can do about this.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 10, 2020 12:20:28 GMT 10
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Post by Tim Horton on Jan 14, 2020 14:38:51 GMT 10
Deliberate Arson ??
Nice little article about the stock dog, but near the end saying fires deliberately set by Muslim terrorist, essentially using arson as a tool of jihad.. ??
Saying individuals have been identified, maybe, maybe not in custody ?? Lives have been lost over this.. Clearly capital crimes.. But... Will they ever go to trial ?? Do we know the likely outcome if or when there is a trial ??
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