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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 26, 2016 13:34:02 GMT 10
The question was posed to me last weekend, you have 1 hour before all hell breaks loose.... what do you do?
I've read a similar topic either on here or another forum but couldn't find it. (Link me to that if someone has it and I'll just scroll through that again)
But regardless, peoples perspectives and priorities change over time so I (re)pose the question to you!
You have 60 minutes warning before it's complete chaos, where do you go and what do you do? Things to note: -This is a loaded question, there is no right answer. Don't get all pissy because someone wants to go do something else and you think it's dumb. I'm using this to see what people's priorities are and use that information to reevaluate my own. That's what forums are for! -This situation is not real! You might have a feeling that a situation is going to turn into the PAW, however we can never be sure. And we may not get any warning at all... you could wake up at midday cause you've slept through your alarm, because your phone died after an EMP knocked out all electronics while you slept. Shit happens, adapt and overcome. BUT we are assuming that you're watching the news at home, sipping your morning coffee at the office or get a text message from that mate who's a Cop/Soldier/Spook telling you to get your family out of cities or something, I dunno something like that, and you get the picture that this is something bigger than the usual inconvenient political/natural/social events that plague our lives. And you decide that now's the time to move. -You can prefix your answer with further specifics relating to what you think may befall our nation, or have a generic answer you'd most likely attempt or wish to do. -Things are getting frantic but not chaotic. Therefore, expect shops to take longer to process transactions due to more customers, but you must not break the law. No speeding, no stealing, no digging up that old M60 you got on the darknet and bolting it to the sports bar of your Amarok... All answers must be lawful, you don't want to spend the apocalypse locked in a cell! -You can go multiple places and do multiple things in each place. You don't have to say only "I'd fill up my car with diesel" if you know that the closest servo is 1km away and you know it takes 5mins to go in, pay and leave but take into account that things will take longer. There's no prizes, if you say you're gonna do 2500 different things in 400 different places and swear black and blue that you're able to do it within an hour then cool. Good for you, but we'll think you're crazy and you're just cheating yourself on your own self assessment.
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 26, 2016 14:00:22 GMT 10
Okay so I've asked the question, and it seems I should get the ball rolling with my answer. Until someone links the old thread, I'll tell you my current answer and then it'll be interesting if someone can find my old answer to compare how things have changed.
Right now I'm back in Melbourne, however tomorrow I'm back in Mildura for the next few months at least (excluding 3 day trips back to civilisation to see friends and family). So I'm going to answer as if I'm in Mildura because that's the likely situation for me this year.
Currently I live really close to the shops in a shitty street that's pretty close to some shitty junkie houses and places where large groups of indigenous kids hang around out the front of at night and harass people who walk past. Not a great spot, but what can ya do...
Also it's a rental, that's got a small garden that I'm yet to plant properly. I don't have a non-mains connected method of cooking either... So food is terrible, security is terrible, water is terrible..
Essentially I'm f***ed if I'm in Mildura.
That said, adapt and overcome... I'd hit up two places. Bunnings and Coles.
Bunnings shopping list: -Small LPG BBQ for all cooking and LPG hotplate for boiling water -Small solid fuel BBQ and a handful of bags of briquettes -Filled LPG bottles, as many as will fit in the tray of the ute -Plywood (15mm thick or greater), steel brackets and 2x4's, steel wire mesh, and long wood scews -Batteries: bulk AA, as nearly everything I have uses them. Hopefully they'fe got a few of the stupid button batteries my red dot on the 7615 uses also. -Seeds packs
That's probably a solid 30mins taken up with the tray full of LPG and briquettes, plywood tied on top and the back seat with the two BBQs and the a bag of smaller items. Leave there, hit Coles.
List for Coles would include: -Canned or foil packed fish, meats and veges -Pasta and sauces -Rice -Instant noodles -Nuts -More batteries -Sugar, salt, flour -Garbage bags, bleach, gloves, soap -OTC meds and first aid -Multivitamins
Take that out to the car, estimate space and time left then load that with bottle and boxed water. And I'd put it all on AMEX, cause if it's not the apocalypse, I may as well get the Awards Points for all that....
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Post by Frank on Feb 26, 2016 14:13:45 GMT 10
Good scenario AT!
I am going to answer this in two parts I reckon; firstly will cover my current situation as I am at work, secondly will be if I am home.
1) I am currently at work, approx. 100kms from home where my family is. I have no car, no bike and am relying on public transport so my options are very limited, bordering on "I am screwed" haha. First thing would be to check the trains to see if they are still running and when the next one leaves. Is it better to take a train part way and then hoof it once the trains stop running in an hours time?? If so, grab my bag, fill the water bottle and give the credit card a hiding at the 7-11 on the way to the station. Grab lighters, extra water, food and anything else that might be of value once I start walking. Get home ASAP avoiding as best I can major travelways. I know the area fairly well, so the going shouldn't be too bad
2) I am going to assume I am at home with the family. 60mins isn't long enough to get safely in and out of a decent shopping area, so the small general store will have to do. Drive to the store, fill up with diesel, fill any jerry cans that I have that are empty (currently none, but you never know) and grab as many of the canned goods as I can. Also a couple of extra LPG cylinders as they are the local stockists. Back home, lock the gates, check the generator, water pumps, fire pumps, get the family and pets inside (times like this I wish I had a guard dog to let out to patrol the block) and do a check of the fence line. Also, talk to the neighbours each side of us and see what they know/are upto etc.
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Post by hansdahun on Feb 26, 2016 14:52:25 GMT 10
With one hour I make three phone calls then I go to the shops and buy last minute perishables as I am 300m from a large shopping centre I am back home in 30min waiting for the others. Quick wash and dress in suitable attire open safe's and tool up.
Chair, footstool, drink, popcorn, scanner on.
That's about it.
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Post by thereth on Feb 26, 2016 15:15:11 GMT 10
ok, so one hour, I will do 2 depending on if I am at home or at the office, i spend a fair bit of time on the road but seeing as we cant account for everything in a thing like this, home and office is enough. Oh and I am assuming weekday as well.
HOME- Seeing as it is 15 minutes to the nearest town I would call my other half and immediately get her to stop work and head straight to the farm supply store and grab all the grain/stock feed/ammo and gas she can fit in her car (4WD wagon) after picking up the Reth-spawns.
For myself I would chuck on the trailer, grab every unfilled jerry can I could grab in 5 minutes, drive into town and quickly swap the trailor to the missus car to hold the gas and anything else, then head to the petrol station and stock up on as much as I could within the time limit
OFFICE- is very similar to above however as I am already in town I would swap it around a bit by getting the missus to rent a trailer from the local servo (its one of those automated things) instead of me dropping it off, and I will grab the spawns instead.
Aside from that it would be very similar except I would probably drop into our local Mitre 10 and grab a few tools and some propogation equipment
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Post by Peter on Feb 26, 2016 16:37:02 GMT 10
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Post by shinester on Feb 26, 2016 17:17:49 GMT 10
As been suggested, this has been done before, but they're fun; My reality is, I don't need more things [always like them] I'd just start fortifying the house properly or use that time to bug out as applicable to the situation. I don't really want to be where a bunch of nervous and desperate people are. Having said that, do you have cash, imagine the giant queue at the atms, at least till they ran out of money. - contact the right people and get them to me or vica-versa depending on situation. This is more important than anything else. - LPG, can never have too much, 2 sources - Cooking oil, high KJ/kg, improves taste of food and doesn't keep well so I only really have about a years worth at any time [used for cooking]. Also essential in your diet if you don't have your own. I also don't imagine many people buying it first, despite it's importance. - Toilet paper moooooore - Herbs and spices, makes staple foods less boring - seedlings, 2 sources - bags of wheat from agricultural supplier - 25kg of wheat sprouted [no need for mill] is about 55 days of food. The locations are close and I'm familiar with where the stock is kept, aka fast to acquire. This list is a good resource for what you might need; www.thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 26, 2016 22:15:51 GMT 10
... I didn't ring anybody. Not even one person. Damn, I'm screwed
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Post by gasman on Feb 27, 2016 6:41:56 GMT 10
Ring kids and get them asap Ring wife to fill jerry cans at local servo ( 5 km away) On way home nursery for seedlings and bulk stock feed purchased These are just top ups and would only be done if safe and feasible as they are not too far away Panic trips to supermarket are to be avoided And food / water / ammo etc are already covered Speak to neighbours check comms Frock up into patrol order The whole point of prepping is to avoid last minute crowd panic
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Post by Peter on Feb 27, 2016 8:03:31 GMT 10
The whole point of prepping is to avoid last minute crowd panic agreed 100%.
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Post by frostbite on Feb 27, 2016 9:28:18 GMT 10
Exactly
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Post by graynomad on Feb 27, 2016 22:32:09 GMT 10
I'm way more than an hour from a large town and there's bugger all I need in the local town. So I guess I'd just sit tight, unlock the gun safe and watch the news.
OTOH, there is an IGA in town, may as well get some more baked beans.
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Post by thereth on Feb 27, 2016 22:34:29 GMT 10
The whole point of prepping is to avoid last minute crowd panic true, but this particular scenario is based on us having advanced knowledge by one hour, so it hasnt hit that mental stage yet, the fact we have developed conncetions to have this warning is as much as point of prepping as avoiding a last minute rush
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Post by shinester on Feb 29, 2016 9:19:04 GMT 10
If there was some kind of warning [not sure how that would happen] then you'll probably get panic/panic buying/car crashes/murder/looting and you'll also get a bunch of people with normalcy bias, aka just going along like nothing's going on, mowing the lawn etc for a certain amount of time until they realize what's going on.
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Post by Peter on Feb 29, 2016 10:17:35 GMT 10
If there was some kind of warning [not sure how that would happen] then you'll probably get panic/panic buying/car crashes/murder/looting and you'll also get a bunch of people with normalcy bias, aka just going along like nothing's going on, mowing the lawn etc for a certain amount of time until they realize what's going on. I can imagine the shock some people would experience to find that shops are stripped bare (and therefore closed), power's off, phones don't work, etc. Then when they turn the tap on and find there's no water, they'd completely fail to comprehend the situation. We've become so used to these utilities that even those of us who prepare would still probably be a little surprised... For example, who's ever flicked on a light switch when entering a room out of habit - during a power cut? I know I've done that plenty of times.
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Post by myrrph on Feb 29, 2016 12:18:11 GMT 10
the first 72 hours after an EMP strike or Cyber Attack on Utilities would still be generally ok.
I would prolly still saunter down to the shops and try to buy whatever useful thing I can.
72 hours _after_ I will keep myself locked at home except to go collect river water and dispose fecal waste.
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Post by shinester on Feb 29, 2016 13:03:08 GMT 10
Yeah, people will 'snap' into the new reality, some immediately some days or perhaps weeks. Most humans are fairly adaptable, a small few will loose their reality aka have psychotic episode.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 13:21:21 GMT 10
One of my great fears is what happens with illicit drug users when they are no longer able to get a hit. I think I'll stay right where I am thank you very much!
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 29, 2016 14:33:02 GMT 10
Ammo is cheap, be generous
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 29, 2016 14:54:03 GMT 10
Not on how many mags you can buy or how often you can practice mag changes... and if the law no longer protects the masses then I don't see the masses following laws much longer.
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