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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 13, 2016 21:56:20 GMT 10
Any of you lot eating paleo or similar diets?
I've been looking into it, I'm interested but not sold on it. Wondering if anyone currently eats by the paleo diet or has a similar diet and what sort of food stores you have?
The main issue I have is that it cuts out grains, SHTF things like oats and rice are life savers.... not sure I want to go off grains and then in a stressful situation change my food intakes completely. Also I wouldn't be using my stored food so it'd go bad.
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Post by familyprepper on Sept 13, 2016 22:04:11 GMT 10
Never tried it I wouldn't mind trying a similar diet but with grains or rice But no processed foods
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Post by remnantprep on Sept 13, 2016 22:05:24 GMT 10
Not Paleo as such but a low starch somewhat grain free diet (mainly because of the starch).
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Post by Peter on Sept 13, 2016 22:45:01 GMT 10
I'm looking into a paleo style diet, but I find legumes too valuable a source of protein. I don't have the luxury of keeping any land animal other than rabbits, guinea pigs and rodents. And feeding them would be a problem.
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Post by ziggysdad on Sept 14, 2016 8:31:38 GMT 10
I started a ketogenic diet last December. After a few months I morphed into more of an Atkins diet (extremely low carb, but not as much fat as Ketogenic).
I lost 22 kg over 7 months before I went off it during a recent holiday. Cut carbs back out (less than 20g/day) 10 days ago.
My diet never stopped me from stockpiling rice, grains, legumes, cereals, etc. I figure that I will rotate those stocks when I am eating carbs, and/or suffer some small losses on an annual basis that I am prepared to accept in the name of weight loss. Unless you keep a lot of livestock maintaining my current diet in a SHTF scenario would be near impossible. Besides, if it is an TEOTWAWKI event, I won't be worried about losing weight...
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Post by jo on Sept 14, 2016 19:59:11 GMT 10
Watched a show a few years back about diets and dieting... aparently in a famine/austere environment the first people to die are skinny people... stands to reason, in previous times rich people were fat and lasted a lot longer than poor people who were skinny... dont worry about trying to eat paleo when you are relying on your preps as one meal of carbs a day will keep you looking thin anyway
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Post by Peter on Sept 14, 2016 20:40:32 GMT 10
aparently in a famine/austere environment the first people to die are skinny people I will live forever...
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 14, 2016 20:47:51 GMT 10
Just to clarify, SHTF I'm gonna be eating anything
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Post by shinester on Sept 15, 2016 5:15:01 GMT 10
I'm not certain on this topic, I know a little about nutrition and not enough to give any kind of conclusions here. I think you could come to some approximations by considering who your forefathers were into some approximations of diets. For instance 'the frequency of lactose intolerance ranges from 5% in Northern European to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries.' Typically cultural meals/food have been eaten because they were both grown and consumed locally and well. 'Bangers and mash' makes sense with pigs and potatoes in England. They would certainly get you over the line to make a baby and raise it long enough that it lived, after that the genes don't really care. How often would have our forefathers eaten meat do you think? I would guess a couple of times a week most likely for most of us in poor quality cuts. Would our body prefer more often?
"The frequency of lactose intolerance ranges from 5% in Northern European to more than 90% in some African and Asian countries." - The fact you have a protein making factory walking around that you milk gives you a constant source of protein, as would eggs. We also stored this milk as cheese which would get us through the harsh winters and they are 16 times lower in lactose. Biologically speaking most animals loose their ability to process lactose after being weened, though humans clearly have some adaptations to protein sources, those who didn't mostly fell out of the genepool in Europeans suggesting it to be a fairly necessary part of survival at some points. Europeans also drank a lot of low strength beers as their water supplies were dangerous. Asians did teas. We see this in Aboriginals who whilst having similar levels of alcoholics [despite the myths] have far less tolerance for it as they had little exposure to it and not the necessity for that clean stationary water source due to being nomadic and small in numbers.
Historically 15% of people died due to starvation, so 'any' bonus protein was a great advantage. Conversely those of African descent had differing farming practices such as goat herding and perhaps they milked the goats in some regions [hence the 10%] or were hunter gatherers until more recent times. Also we are from primate stock and we eat fairly similarly to them.
And of course, we are omnivores, and clever. We have turned food that in it's raw form is close to inedible or poor in nutrition because of it's antinutrients such as grains/legumes/starches and with our cleverness have over the tens of thousands of years learned through trial and error to convert these easily grown foods into food that we can store and eat, to get us through the winters. To think that we're not able to eat our staple diets successfully after years of just scraping by when only small fluctuation of 10% less food production in history would often lead to famine. I also have a theory that inactivity during winter tends to conserve nutrients very well in Europeans, which is why we're so obese, we're great at survival. I've noticed this first hand, though it's anecdotal. The point is, diets are confusing and what suits us when we don't look at our history.
I'm skeptical of the claims and I would like to see actual evidence on this topic to come to conclusions to follow such a diet. We have elements of hunter gatherers in us, though a lot of adaptations to farming practices of whatever region we hail from. We are all the successful ones genetically remember, those who didn't adapt to their environment died out, so it's reasonable to assume that we would do better with certain diets and mostly.... we're omnivores, we successfully eat lots of different things and realistically we're probably only talking about a few percentage difference in optimum nutrition anyhow, we're about as well fed as we could be, surely.
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Post by perthprepper on Sept 15, 2016 12:27:57 GMT 10
aparently in a famine/austere environment the first people to die are skinny people... I'd better boost up the food stocks a bit more haha
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Post by ziggysdad on Sept 15, 2016 13:17:23 GMT 10
aparently in a famine/austere environment the first people to die are skinny people I will live forever... You and me both, brother!
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Post by shinester on Sept 15, 2016 23:05:01 GMT 10
aparently in a famine/austere environment the first people to die are skinny people... I'd better boost up the food stocks a bit more haha Indeed! It makes sense, and as I've mentioned previously that 10kg of excess body fat [average for Australia] adds 350,000Kj to people's stores which is 40 days of food [energy] at a normal rate of consumption [8700kj/day]. There's some issues with that alone, such as needing potassium and vitamins and if you had that [preferable with a small amount of protein], this is on top of the 3 weeks without food that is usually suggested, so it's about 10 weeks or so. You can see the difference there. I've been tempted to store bodyfat as a prep, even in a serious sense, though it's long term health effects aren't a good prep for a long healthy life. So when you have less bodyfat, aka you're skinny, you need food quicker.
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 15, 2016 23:13:10 GMT 10
I'm more concerned about the long term health impact of excess fat and my fight-fitness than famine.
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Post by ziggysdad on Sept 16, 2016 9:21:23 GMT 10
I'm more concerned about the long term health impact of excess fat and my fight-fitness than famine. Not for everyone, but a ketogenic diet forces your body to burn fat as its primary fuel source. Eating a diet rich in fats (and virtually no carbs aside from green leafy vegetables and cheese) you will find that you become full very easily and naturally eat less. Thus, when your body is in caloric deficit, it targets fat within the body first. I enjoy it because for me I don't need to count calories on the diet and still lose on average 1-2 kg a fortnight without ever being hungry.
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 16, 2016 10:16:03 GMT 10
I'm on a fairly strict diet, limited to 5500kJ a day, no processed sugars or grains, bulk veges, eggs and lean meat plus a few bits of fruit.
I get hungry at night but it's been 11 days and I've lost 2.6kg
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Post by familyprepper on Sept 16, 2016 11:41:17 GMT 10
Shiney what is ketogenic diet
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Post by Frank on Sept 16, 2016 20:13:53 GMT 10
Sounds fairly similar to my current eating AT. No sugar, pasta, rice and try to avoid to much processed food (although this gets difficult at times with my current working situation); plenty of green veges, a fair bit of meat and a little bit of fruit. Works for me and I like eating plenty of meat so actually enjoy it. And in general feel heaps better staying clear of the sugar and processed food
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Post by ziggysdad on Sept 17, 2016 15:42:38 GMT 10
On a ketogenic diet most fruit (aside from small portions of berries) is also out - fruit is good for you, but loaded with carbs.
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Post by shinester on Sept 17, 2016 16:40:06 GMT 10
I'm on a fairly strict diet, limited to 5500kJ a day, no processed sugars or grains, bulk veges, eggs and lean meat plus a few bits of fruit. I get hungry at night but it's been 11 days and I've lost 2.6kg Water loss yo-yos your actual scale weight, though that puts your metabolism at about 8272KJ higher than your intake, aka 13772Kj/day. You've got to watch out for the metabolism slow down that comes with dieting, natures way of saying, hey look we've in famine.. aka keep up your activity. Protein retards the diet hormone somewhat and some reports caffeine has a similar effect [seemed to work for me anecdotally].
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Post by Ammo9 on Sept 17, 2016 18:47:05 GMT 10
Cardio every morning Gym every evening
Drinking a lot of water, I'm weighing myself every morning and consistently losing little by little
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