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Post by SA Hunter on Dec 23, 2017 19:30:48 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Dec 23, 2017 22:11:31 GMT 10
Would it really result in all out war? I'm tempted to believe a few precision strikes on tactical targets would annihilate NK's military capacity and end the matter once and for all. It's not like they have a well-fed army, advanced technology, a sane and tactically-capable leader, etc...
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Post by spinifex on Dec 24, 2017 7:07:44 GMT 10
The US fascination with NK nuclear weapons is surely a front for other motives. Consider Pakistan. Here is a fully nuked up nation that is known to have unstable political situation and (allegedly) jihad oriented terrorists regularly bouncing across the border with Afstan. Then there's India ... possibly even more politically and socially unstable than Pakistan. Either nation could be a bigger risk than NK. Yet ... all we hear about those two is ... Crickets.
We should all be asking; why is the US out to make trouble with NK in particular? Is it nothing more than a test of Chinese and Russian tolerance and resolve regarding military meddling on their doorstep? Is it a ploy to generate reconstruction contracts for US and Jap corporations to re-build SK while at same time removing SK as a global economic competitor for a decade or two?
A real risk here is that the US does decide to try some surgical strikes on NK nuclear facilities and China or Russia use that chance to teach US a lesson by filtering a mobile nuke launcher across the border into NK and firing a fully functioning, well proven weapon at Guam: making it look like the launch came from within NK. Not a lot of forensic evidence left to trace after a nuke detonates so they might be willing to do it.
I swear ... this is like watching a bunch of toddlers playing with a rattlesnake.
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Post by Peter on Dec 24, 2017 9:45:05 GMT 10
I imagine NK is of particular interest as they are apparently sitting on trillions - yes, that's thousands of billions - of dollars worth of minerals but they lack the technology to mine it. While the USA would have a hard time occupying NK due to China, Russia, etc, they certainly don't want others getting their hands on that kind of wealth. Making the stuff glow in the dark for the next twenty thousand years may be what it takes to keep others away.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 10:19:37 GMT 10
I'm terribly concerned that the USA has thrown down yet another challenge to N.K. in dismissing their missile technology as not being up to the task! For N.K. not to loose face it now has to show it can deliver or be seen to be weak..... not a clever move by the west!
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Post by spinifex on Dec 26, 2017 7:55:26 GMT 10
I'm terribly concerned that the USA has thrown down yet another challenge to N.K. in dismissing their missile technology as not being up to the task! For N.K. not to loose face it now has to show it can deliver or be seen to be weak..... not a clever move by the west! Yep, it seems the significance of face is greatly under appreciated by the west. Let us remember that Japan had to be nuked twice, even after having all its major cities firebombed into oblivion and all its external resources cut off before it would surrender. It might be best if all the cowboys just holstered their shooters and quietly left the bar ... before the bar and everyone in it, including the piano player, gets shot to bits.
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Post by selfsufficient on Dec 27, 2017 14:17:46 GMT 10
Yep, it seems the significance of face is greatly under appreciated by the west. Let us remember that Japan had to be nuked twice, even after having all its major cities firebombed into oblivion and all its external resources cut off before it would surrender. It might be best if all the cowboys just holstered their shooters and quietly left the bar ... before the bar and everyone in it, including the piano player, gets shot to bits. Wish I could find the story, apparently the nuclear bombing of japan could have been avoided due to a translation error. When the US asked japan to surrender, the reply in Japanese text basically said "we will consider a formal discussion of the surrender". The American translators according to the story translated it as "we will never consider a formal surrender". Found lots of references to it. www.pangeanic.com/knowledge_center/the-worst-translation-mistake-in-history/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokusatsu
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Post by WolfDen on Dec 27, 2017 16:36:01 GMT 10
Yep, it seems the significance of face is greatly under appreciated by the west. Let us remember that Japan had to be nuked twice, even after having all its major cities firebombed into oblivion and all its external resources cut off before it would surrender. It might be best if all the cowboys just holstered their shooters and quietly left the bar ... before the bar and everyone in it, including the piano player, gets shot to bits. Wish I could find the story, apparently the nuclear bombing of japan could have been avoided due to a translation error. When the US asked japan to surrender, the reply in Japanese text basically said "we will consider a formal discussion of the surrender". The American translators according to the story translated it as "we will never consider a formal surrender". Found lots of references to it. www.pangeanic.com/knowledge_center/the-worst-translation-mistake-in-history/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MokusatsuHaha ahhh no don’t think so. Never heard of this before. Do you have any other sources?
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Post by selfsufficient on Dec 27, 2017 17:45:16 GMT 10
Heaps if you search for it as my first link stated my translation was wrong as well
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 18:40:21 GMT 10
WolfDen There is a link to official US Government web site at the bottom of the article. I'm still not happy with the United States when they tested the first hydrogen bomb and a large number of their scientists argued that it could set off a chain reaction with the hydrogen in the sea water and destroy the entire planet, and they went ahead and gambled that it wouldn't.
The fact we are still here seems more good luck than good management, and raises the question of logic behind having alliances, that place the value of their military superiority over the value of humanity.
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Post by blueshoes on Dec 30, 2017 9:02:08 GMT 10
Haha ahhh no don’t think so. Never heard of this before. Do you have any other sources? It was in our high school ww2-history textbooks. The word to look up is "mokusatsu", which I have read translated as "to kill with silence"; an ambiguous term which might have meant "we are ignoring the offer to negotiate", or "we are listening but not going to comment publicly"
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