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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 20, 2018 12:28:33 GMT 10
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2018 19:57:04 GMT 10
The truly amazing thing about this article is the monies given to other nations by Australia. How can the government justify throwing away the money they steal from my paycheck each week? We're in deficit but giving money away like this.
It's a disgrace.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 20, 2018 20:01:30 GMT 10
The truly amazing thing about this article is the monies given to other nations by Australia. How can the government justify throwing away the money they steal from my paycheck each week? We're in deficit but giving money away like this. It's a disgrace. Ha - I thought that too when I first read it.
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Post by Peter on Jun 20, 2018 21:23:54 GMT 10
... a national service scheme. I've long been a believer in the benefit of National Service. Although as soon as you mention it some idiot confuses it with conscription. A few months with a decent drill sergeant will sort out just about any of the teenage miscreants out there.
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Post by feralemma on Jun 21, 2018 10:29:21 GMT 10
Most wouldn't cope with it, there's no safe place for them to hide when words hurt them 😂
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Post by feralemma on Jun 21, 2018 10:38:33 GMT 10
The truly amazing thing about this article is the monies given to other nations by Australia. How can the government justify throwing away the money they steal from my paycheck each week? We're in deficit but giving money away like this. It's a disgrace. Australia is essentially paying protection money to Indo, and trying to buy friends in the smaller Pacific nations. None of it is going to matter if Indo or China decide they want those smaller nations in their quest to take over Australia. Our government is fooling itself (or us, the people that actually pay for it). Paying protection money just shows that you are weak! That money should be spent in Australia.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 21, 2018 19:53:07 GMT 10
... a national service scheme. I've long been a believer in the benefit of National Service. Although as soon as you mention it some idiot confuses it with conscription. A few months with a decent drill sergeant will sort out just about any of the teenage miscreants out there. We should just spend up on nuclear missiles and the correct submarines to carry and launch them. Anything less is just pissing into the wind when it comes to national defence. If we want national service to create a credible defence capability these days we need to be sticking the kids in simulators and teaching them to fly drones and attack helicopters and operate radars and SAM systems. To do that we need to have plenty of those weapons systems. To do that we should build them here. If we do that a few more miscreant teenagers might have prospects for meaningful employment that incentivises them to get their act together.
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Post by Peter on Jun 21, 2018 21:09:31 GMT 10
I've long been a believer in the benefit of National Service. Although as soon as you mention it some idiot confuses it with conscription. A few months with a decent drill sergeant will sort out just about any of the teenage miscreants out there. We should just spend up on nuclear missiles and the correct submarines to carry and launch them. Anything less is just pissing into the wind when it comes to national defence. If we want national service to create a credible defence capability these days we need to be sticking the kids in simulators and teaching them to fly drones and attack helicopters and operate radars and SAM systems. To do that we need to have plenty of those weapons systems. To do that we should build them here. If we do that a few more miscreant teenagers might have prospects for meaningful employment that incentivises them to get their act together. I agree, but I see national service as much more than building defence. It can let young people understand that they can accomplish something, that they can work, and that they can receive reward for accomplishing something. Get them off their butts, away from their screens/devices 24/7, and get them working. Proper discipline - including appropriate rewards WHEN EARNED (ie not given) - will do wonders for their entitlement mentalities.
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 22, 2018 13:51:31 GMT 10
I've long been a believer in the benefit of National Service. Although as soon as you mention it some idiot confuses it with conscription. A few months with a decent drill sergeant will sort out just about any of the teenage miscreants out there. We should just spend up on nuclear missiles and the correct submarines to carry and launch them. Anything less is just pissing into the wind when it comes to national defence. If we want national service to create a credible defence capability these days we need to be sticking the kids in simulators and teaching them to fly drones and attack helicopters and operate radars and SAM systems. To do that we need to have plenty of those weapons systems. To do that we should build them here. If we do that a few more miscreant teenagers might have prospects for meaningful employment that incentivises them to get their act together. Plenty of Games out there that would be a pre-cursor to actual sim training!
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Post by spinifex on Jun 22, 2018 18:08:21 GMT 10
We should just spend up on nuclear missiles and the correct submarines to carry and launch them. Anything less is just pissing into the wind when it comes to national defence. If we want national service to create a credible defence capability these days we need to be sticking the kids in simulators and teaching them to fly drones and attack helicopters and operate radars and SAM systems. To do that we need to have plenty of those weapons systems. To do that we should build them here. If we do that a few more miscreant teenagers might have prospects for meaningful employment that incentivises them to get their act together. I agree, but I see national service as much more than building defence. It can let young people understand that they can accomplish something, that they can work, and that they can receive reward for accomplishing something. Get them off their butts, away from their screens/devices 24/7, and get them working. Proper discipline - including appropriate rewards WHEN EARNED (ie not given) - will do wonders for their entitlement mentalities. I think you could be underestimating the young people. They have a startling tendency to understand that the economic system which once benefited older generations like BB's and X is now blowing a pretty fresh headwind directly in their faces. Put it this way ... if you were out on the field playing sport and the umpires started changing the rules, tying one hand behind each of your team players backs and quartering the size of your teams goals ... how incentivised would you be to keep playing the game? Not a day goes by now when I don't thank my stars that I'm a gen X and not a Millennial. I battled my way up from the poverty line as a kid to being part of the middle class. Debt free home owner, investments, nice family holidays most years etc. I really worry that my own kids could end their lives back where I started mine simply due to the prevailing economic circumstances. I don't see national service helping them or any of their friends. It's just another state imposed burden.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 22, 2018 18:18:10 GMT 10
If only those miscreant teenages were smart enough to know that a short career in the military can lead to big money in civi street afterwards. My daughter did 5 years, and came out with a piece of paper that earns her a starting salary of $100k a year base pay and a $10k yearly bonus. And she can work from home if she wants. And there's exactly how the system needs to work. Capitalist incentive! She made a choice. (I assume you didn't press-gang her against her will?) Thing is though ... we put in national service and then what? Will there be $110k jobs for all? Or even $50k jobs for all? What do we end up with ... except unemployed meth heads who now have weapons and combat training? I have a few dill-pickle cousins who went into the military ... they came out the same dill-pickles. With a few extra tattoo's and just the same drug/alcohol problems. They were better at pub fights.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 22, 2018 20:06:58 GMT 10
We should just spend up on nuclear missiles and the correct submarines to carry and launch them. Anything less is just pissing into the wind when it comes to national defence. If we want national service to create a credible defence capability these days we need to be sticking the kids in simulators and teaching them to fly drones and attack helicopters and operate radars and SAM systems. To do that we need to have plenty of those weapons systems. To do that we should build them here. If we do that a few more miscreant teenagers might have prospects for meaningful employment that incentivises them to get their act together. Plenty of Games out there that would be a pre-cursor to actual sim training! Yep. I have a consult mate at KBR that tells me that the Airforce monitors certain computer games tournaments to identify future helicopter gunship and drone operators for recruitment targeting. Sounds sensible to me!
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 22, 2018 21:29:03 GMT 10
Plenty of Games out there that would be a pre-cursor to actual sim training! Yep. I have a consult mate at KBR that tells me that the Airforce monitors certain computer games tournaments to identify future helicopter gunship and drone operators for recruitment targeting. Sounds sensible to me! Wow thats really interesting. I would love to know what types of games for interest sake, if possible. There is so much more to gaming than many parents are aware of. Ive always believed in letting your children play computer games. It is training them for future jobs especially with all the VR stuff now. You just need to keep a sensible playtime on them.
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Post by graynomad on Jun 23, 2018 7:43:44 GMT 10
I tried to join the reserves last year, too bloody old they said.
As for buying friends with our money, maybe they should look up the word "appeasement" in a dictionary.
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Post by Chloe on Jun 23, 2018 12:36:01 GMT 10
'Get them off their butts, away from their screens/devices 24/7, and get them working. Proper discipline - including appropriate rewards WHEN EARNED (ie not given) - will do wonders for their entitlement mentalities.' Parents need to take a lot of the responsibility for todays entitled youth. They are largely a product of our parenting. Agree x100. Some parents forget who raised their own kids some days.
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