blueshoes
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Post by blueshoes on Aug 6, 2019 22:27:30 GMT 10
Someone posted a link to a 2014 Blackout movie (a US one) on a different forum. I tried watching it... as usual it's the standard prepper scenario progression: a few days of limbo, then panic, then increasingly bad crime, chaos and murder ... but is that what has historically happened? In the US, at the peak of the Depression, the homicide rate was only 9 per 100,000 ... that's about what it is in Baltimore now. In Australia, on the other hand, it's currently 1 to 2 in the larger population centres and 0.6 overall according to Wikipedia. We don't have the same crime culture as the US. How much is just that we're culturally different, even with migration, from America? Are our police 10 times more effective than US police or something? Or is it that we just have less guns and ammo floating around so people are more careful with them? This guy says there isn't a direct link between crime and financial hard times: www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-latzer-crime-economy-20140124-story.htmlI have been thinking through all this stuff because there's a lot of doom and gloom around about how bad the depression was, but it was actually a lot better than most of the TEOTWAWKI scenarios people post and discuss. It can be hard to get a realistic grip on not just worst case, but a more likely case. If we can stay home and things won't be that bad, I will want different preps and stronger social ties than if we are going to be dealing with Venezuela type scale disaster and any informant is doom. When we have bushfires here there's not much looting, but lots of donations to relief centres. On the other hand in LA they have a blackout for one night and people smash windows and steal Tv's (that don't work without power...) why the difference?
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frostbite
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Post by frostbite on Aug 7, 2019 5:15:15 GMT 10
I remember that immediately after Cyclone Tracy, the Newcastle earthquake and some of the major cyclones in North Queensland, there were reports of small scale looting. In 1974 in Darwin I clearly remember the authorities threatening to shoot looters on site, as they evacuated most of the population to other cities.
The media seem to get more mileage from bad people looting shops than those about good people donating spare food or clothing. The skew our perception with their bias.
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Post by WolfDen on Aug 7, 2019 9:18:21 GMT 10
Someone posted a link to a 2014 Blackout movie (a US one) on a different forum. I tried watching it... as usual it's the standard prepper scenario progression: a few days of limbo, then panic, then increasingly bad crime, chaos and murder ... but is that what has historically happened? In the US, at the peak of the Depression, the homicide rate was only 9 per 100,000 ... that's about what it is in Baltimore now. In Australia, on the other hand, it's currently 1 to 2 in the larger population centres and 0.6 overall according to Wikipedia. We don't have the same crime culture as the US. How much is just that we're culturally different, even with migration, from America? Are our police 10 times more effective than US police or something? Or is it that we just have less guns and ammo floating around so people are more careful with them? This guy says there isn't a direct link between crime and financial hard times: www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-latzer-crime-economy-20140124-story.htmlI have been thinking through all this stuff because there's a lot of doom and gloom around about how bad the depression was, but it was actually a lot better than most of the TEOTWAWKI scenarios people post and discuss. It can be hard to get a realistic grip on not just worst case, but a more likely case. If we can stay home and things won't be that bad, I will want different preps and stronger social ties than if we are going to be dealing with Venezuela type scale disaster and any informant is doom. When we have bushfires here there's not much looting, but lots of donations to relief centres. On the other hand in LA they have a blackout for one night and people smash windows and steal Tv's (that don't work without power...) why the difference? Population density
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 7, 2019 18:12:41 GMT 10
Population, morality, sense of community........
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Post by spinifex on Aug 7, 2019 18:24:45 GMT 10
We don't have the same crime culture as the US. How much is just that we're culturally different, even with migration, from America? The US seems to have different culture in different parts of the country with respect to killing people. Worth noting that the same regions/people who are stridently against ANY Abortion ... also generally think its fine to shoot someone they don't know who is taking their car or their neighbours TV set. The Irony is rich and creamy in places. I've lived and worked in places with high poverty and crime is definately higher in those places. When the systems of civilisation fail (or never existed) crime becomes a logical part of survival. Interestingly, crime is also a feature of very successful large business operations ... it's just that we have been conditioned to accept it and not get emotive about it.
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Post by gasman on Aug 7, 2019 20:34:59 GMT 10
We are just recovering from the Vic fires Very interesting prepper experience Apart from the fire preps- which are a way of life in rural Vic- we had to deal with 2 weeks of no power and draconian road closures We had lotsa minor injuries/ burns but no houses lost in our street Our community was fabulous and though I’m the only prepper I know of- everyone came together and we did well My food and medical supplies were well appreciated and my wife has a new respect for Prepper’s
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