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Post by prep0000 on Aug 22, 2019 17:16:42 GMT 10
How do we get people around us to know about prepping without violating the Grey Man Rule? Preventing the horrible thought "Ohh if there is any danger I will come to you for the resources"
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Post by spinifex on Aug 22, 2019 17:48:58 GMT 10
An excellent question.
I know people who live in bushfire prone areas, have been through fires and STILL don't take proper preparations and precautions.
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Post by frostbite on Aug 22, 2019 17:54:04 GMT 10
One of the benefits of having a secluded retreat, is you can bug out and solve that problem.
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Post by Peter on Aug 22, 2019 21:57:11 GMT 10
An excellent question. I know people who live in bushfire prone areas, have been through fires and STILL don't take proper preparations and precautions. My apologies if I've shared this example before, but this is a valid point. A few years ago I had to quote on some work to replace something damaged by a bushfire. The fire (in Perth's hills) went way out of control, and ended up burning through my customer's back yard. Firefighting helicopters had to dump water within 10m of the house to stop it from burning. When I was there to quote just a few months later, there was a pile of dry sticks & leaves heaped against the house wall. Roof gutters and the driveway drain gutter were full of dry leaves. Flammable chemicals were not correctly stored; there were jerry cans lying about. Some people truly don't deserve second chances...
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Post by Joey on Aug 22, 2019 22:29:18 GMT 10
Strike up the conversation about say a natural disaster that occurs in your area.. cyclone/flood/fires etc and just casually ask them if they had any plans or thoughts about preparing for the next event
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Post by WolfDen on Aug 23, 2019 10:46:13 GMT 10
Use a story or an example to stoke up a conversation regarding being prepared compared to not being prepared. Use this story to make points about it in a jovial matter where those around you can join in to the discussion. This could allow you to bring up the discussion later on and further push the subject.
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Post by milspec on Aug 25, 2019 7:22:27 GMT 10
Recently a good and trusted friend/visitor to the farm was lamenting a number of things about city living/society and ended up talking about a computer virus/extortion incident he'd experienced. I turned that into a bigger discussion on cyber attacks and pointed out what would happen if the phone and ATMs Stopped working and asked him how he would get home without petrol etc. That was the intro into a discussion on preparedness. He's the only friend I've had a prepper discussion with but it went well. Now I'm interested to see what he does about it.
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Post by Tim Horton on Aug 31, 2019 17:23:25 GMT 10
We have been at this all our lives to an extent. Growing up in the bush, Y2K, and all between. With different lulls in the process as life goes, we have worked harder at it some times more than others.
At this age and point in life, we feel at a stage where we taught our kids, but they and everyone else are at a point to make there own decisions. To day we still live the life style, but don't discuss or try to educate anymore. It just isn't in our best interest to expend energies trying to get people to take responsibility for them selves.
At this age I guess part of our "grey man" look will be keeping quiet, old as in not a threat nor target of value.
>>>>>>>> Some people truly don't deserve second chances... By there own repeated actions, this is most valid also..... You can only do so much.
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Post by dadbod on Sept 7, 2019 8:17:46 GMT 10
We have been at this all our lives to an extent. Growing up in the bush, Y2K, and all between. With different lulls in the process as life goes, we have worked harder at it some times more than others. At this age and point in life, we feel at a stage where we taught our kids, but they and everyone else are at a point to make there own decisions. To day we still live the life style, but don't discuss or try to educate anymore. It just isn't in our best interest to expend energies trying to get people to take responsibility for them selves. At this age I guess part of our "grey man" look will be keeping quiet, old as in not a threat nor target of value. >>>>>>>> Some people truly don't deserve second chances... By there own repeated actions, this is most valid also..... You can only do so much. as serious as y2k was, nobody would acknowledge its seriousness in hindsight. its now called a hoax and used against those that take these things seriously. it was a great success for us to overcome the fault and that should have been celebrated, but instead leaders denied it. growing up I believed the same as the herd and didnt see it as the existential crisis that it was. it was the perfect apocalyptic situation. uncertainty, time frame, weird world situations (putin taking over), collapse of systems. yet coming through it made everyone embarrassed to have been worried. I feel that really set the landscape we face now, where we dont openly talk about prepping. maybe another impending existential crisis will change all of that. I dont think the ipcc report will do it, but atleast it has a timeline to motivate people. i guess its a common talking point that could pivot to prepping.
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Post by Tim Horton on Sept 7, 2019 15:30:57 GMT 10
maybe another impending existential crisis will change all of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I kinda, sorta see this tying into the old saying "history repeats its self" And the fact that peoples attention span seems so much shorter now than when I was younger, let alone a generation or more ago.
So this is telling me, if, when the next crisis happens, most of the population will be open mouth in shock wondering, what is this ??, what do I do now ?? And it is not if, but when will the next crisis happen. Maybe not in my life time, but something will happen that will affect everyone.
Like the sayings go about leading a horse to water. And the saying.. You can't fix stupid. People will suffer.
My 5 cents of opinion...
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Post by paule on Sept 28, 2019 9:10:36 GMT 10
Hi , I have few friends who know I prep but are Non believers that any life changing event will ever occur but they all think they can come to me if something does occur , but none actually know my bug out spot or even carry a 2-3 day bug out bag to get there , I friend who believes has a 2-3 day bag and several maps to get there So I believe you can talk about it but not disclose to much.
Can someone advise what the “”grey man “” quote is please ?
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Post by blueshoes on Sept 28, 2019 21:14:06 GMT 10
Can someone advise what the “”grey man “” quote is please ? Being a "grey man" is just a term for fitting in and not drawing attention to yourself. Going everywhere in camo and carrying a loaded pack says you have stuff worth stealing, and people notice you; if you aren't noticed, people ignore you and don't pick on you. Im situations where people are desperate and doing things they normally wouldn't, it can improve your chances of survival if you can avoid drawing attention to yourself. I couldnt find a good thread on this but there is a long discussion of it at this site: www.ribbonfarm.com/2018/02/01/dont-be-the-gray-man/
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Post by spinifex on Sept 29, 2019 9:59:59 GMT 10
We live in a PC age ... the correct term is now 'Gray Person'.
An alternate approach might be to wear a fake suicide vest/ smear yourself with faeces, carry a large copy of your preferred religious text and rant like you have schizophrenia. No-one is bothering that person either!
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Post by frostbite on Sept 29, 2019 10:36:37 GMT 10
We live in a PC age ... the correct term is now 'Gray Person'. An alternate approach might be to wear a fake suicide vest/ smear yourself with faeces, carry a large copy of your preferred religious text and rant like you have schizophrenia. No-one is bothering that person either! That didn't work out for the nutter in Sydney recently. He got milk crated.
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Post by krull68 on Sept 30, 2019 7:23:46 GMT 10
I don't know about others, but I always bring up my back and sometimes it is hard to get to the shops. we mention having extra of basic cooking items, flour, sugar, things of that nature. Most people the wife and I talk to about it, think it is a great idea and some have started to stock up on basic items as well. plus we have loads of brown outs here were we now live, so most people here have multiple cooking methods available.
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Post by herbgarden on Nov 15, 2019 19:45:01 GMT 10
Smaller personal crises might be the way to open the conversation gates like krull68 mentioned and develop from there. Lamenting about the time you were unemployed for 3 months and thank goodness you had a well stocked pantry after Christmas to keep you going and you are thinking its a good idea to keep a bit of extra food in case it happens again. Or the time you were sick with the flu/had surgery/broke a bone/hurt your back & couldn't leave the house for two weeks. How about the time you were stuck on the freeway for 6 hours and you had some food and water in the car and a full tank of petrol and luckily some toilet paper too or wouldn't that have been bad! You even helped the people in the car behind you with XYZ. The time the power went out at work and no-one else had a torch or the power went out at home and you used your "camping" equipment to make dinner and had a great night in the front yard and all the neighbours came together and had a yarn while you cooked on the BBQ and kept each other up-to-date, amazing how that worked out hey?
I remember driving past a street that was evacuated a few months ago and it was morning peak hour, looked like either a gas main issue or a house fire endangering nearby houses. There were about 20-25 people standing on the side of a main road without shoes, holding their pets in their arms (main road remember) as they didn't have a leash still wearing pyjamas and wearing obviously hastily pulled on clothes with items stuffed in pillowcases and rubbish bags with the ocasional handbag, some people were empty handed or holding just a mobile phone. Talk about your conversation starter!
Anyone asks about your extra food? * It's ingrained, (X) I grew up with lived through the depression and I thought everyone did that until about a few months ago when I was visiting (X) and all they had in their fridge was a mouldy piece of cheese and a bottle of vodka ; * That's normal when you come from the country and don't get to the shops for 3-4 weeks and it's habit and a good thing too remember when we all had (illness) at our house for a week and couldn't leave the house? (followed by how bare the pantry was by the end of the week); * (Parent) just can't help but want to take care of us, keeps buying us stuff to make sure we have enough no matter how much we insist we are ok. You know how parent's are? * We buy specials and donate to (local food bank), this will be empty in (X) amount of time. * We always start buying a little extra non-perishables a few months before (festivity) so we don't get stuck with a big bill all at once like last year. * How the Red Cross recommends that every household have emergency preparations for at least 72 hours for each household member as it's storm season or fire season and here's a link to their website listing their recommendations...do you recommend I get some more spam or rice? Not sure I got the calculations for (X) people correct for 3 days. What should I do for the dogs/baby/elderly neighbour?
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