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Post by norseman on Dec 30, 2019 5:29:23 GMT 10
tomatoes It means kids should stop f***ing around with useless Taxpayer / Mum / Dad funded University study / degrees and go get a real job in the real world like Carpenter, Plumber, Mechanic, Farmer etc etc! By the way I'm not even pointing the finger at this kid far from it in fact! I'm talking about 80% of all the kids that go to University! When I was in school forty years ago out of 200 kids 20 went on to do year 11 and 12 and of these maybe 6 went to university and maybe 3 got a degree in something useful like DOCTOR! These days most school teachers are leftist propaganda agents who are not interested in educating our kids they are only interested in state sanctioned indoctrination! Yep. I'd love it if every kid went into trades and doctoring. Our wonderous capitalist system would ensure the competition brought about by market saturation in these professions would reduce the hourly rate paid to tradies to a point that I might actually use one. As it is I find tradies so unaffordable I do all my own work. These days the taxpayers (via Government) and Chinese/Arab investors ultimately pay for most trade work. I regularly tell my kids they should become bridge engineers ... the Government (that is TAXPAYERS) and reserve banks are sure to have a 50 year long list of 'stimulus' projects involving bridge/overpass construction and replacements - no matter how pointless they are. (we had a pointless bridge - over an unused railway- completed last year in our regional centre at taxpayer expense. The main thing was some construction companies made $20 million building it.) I want my kids to get their snout well and truly into the taxpayer funded construction industry. Or failing that ... building apartments or toll roads in Sydney and Melbourne paid for by our super funds. These days a 'real job' that pays well can be something as unorthodox as unwrapping toys on YouTube and getting paid $26 million per year as an 'influencer'. I phucking love capitalism! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan%27s_WorldBut yeah ... it does require putting in the effort to find opportunities and make them work. Sadly farming is increasingly a fools game. Don't recommend anyone getting into it unless they inherit a farm with good equity balance. Good money in being a chemical, fertiliser or machinery salesman though! spinifex You are right about the farming, "Farmer" was a poor example! I'm surrounded by real farms where I live and they're all running from the banks and that includes the ones that have been in the valley for a hundred plus years! The reality is many Uni Students don't use their degrees and never repay their HECS debts. The number of never employed "Environmental Scientists" I have worked with over the years is staggering!
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Post by norseman on Dec 30, 2019 9:43:59 GMT 10
LMFAO! This topic being smashed on 2GB Talkback Radio right now!
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Post by grumble on Dec 30, 2019 12:44:16 GMT 10
Its a funny thing when I see threads such as this I never went to university I went straight into the mining industry after the army recruitment officer basically talked me out of signing up to be a combat engineer which I've always regretted
In my pool of friends the ones that have really been very successful in this fully functioning economy are those that pushed through the lean years of doing a degree dealing with the debt that follows and working their asses off to pay their way as they went I have many mates that are tradies and in this modern OHAS world they have become just as bad as lawyers in someways because the regulations and laws have gotten to a point where you need to have them sign off on a light bulb change and boy do they love the fact they have most of the market by the balls as people are afraid of either not being covered by insurance or being sued
here is the interesting thing though most of my tradie mates lived at home while learning their trades and once finished they move out with no HEC debt and started to earn good money in a tight economy went out and bought flash landcruisers and boats to take their mates out fishing and so on My friends that went to uni on the other hands struggled through living in shared houses , worked and still attended Uni because it was not possible to stay at home and attend uni I know one of my friends studied 2 degrees at the same time business management and environmental science so by the time they left uni they were buried under uni debt and didn't have a job so they had to go search in a highly limited market for a job that they could be using their skills and degrees
Here's my point yep there are enough professional students that gain far to much attention and will never contribute to society but I find it interesting that with my pool of friends the most motivated and hardest working ones were the guys that did uni and now are setting back pretty well off by a great margin compared to my tradie mates that are still doing long days in crap conditions to earn the same money or struggling to keep their business afloat
the best examples of both are one friend owns his own engineering business and travels around the country and world doing interesting jobs with around 200 guys on his books so not bad for a dirty boilermaker while my other friend that did his time at uni studied 3 degrees now at the ripe old age of 40 has gone into semi retirement self funded with a nice 3000 acre hobby farm and a penthouse that he uses when working on projects for clients
I don't think anything anyone does is a waste of time if they get out and apply themselves to the path they have chosen and that includes teachers a good teacher can turn a bad student around just like a good tradesman can make or break a project the same as a good project manager
people who study multiple degrees and never actually leave uni are not to useful and their should be a limitation where if you're onto your second degree or third that has no relation to each other then perhaps a thing where you have to pay back the 1st one in 30 days should be rolled out that would soon bring that to a stop
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Post by norseman on Dec 30, 2019 14:05:26 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Dec 30, 2019 15:30:26 GMT 10
Yep. The last interviews I held for engineers were 80% from overseas. When you hear an announcement about how great this project is for jobs (Adani, North East Link, Westconnex etc.) they are lying. There are already all the jobs anyone even half motivated could want.
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Post by spinifex on Dec 30, 2019 16:18:21 GMT 10
yeah. All the best engineers have gone to California to invent weird crap and take hundreds of millions from dumb-ass investors.
Case in point: the $120 million Juicero appliance:
Its simultaneously the most humorous review ever and depressing. Based on this we are all wasting our lives right now ... any moment not spent creating shit like this and selling it to 'investors' is time we are losing income hand over fist.
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Post by feralemma on Jan 2, 2020 11:10:18 GMT 10
Lol I did an ag degree at uni - ok so it was a solely ag based uni and on an actual farm - and I have only ever worked in or owned a business in the ag sector so my degree is kinda useful to me. But even I thought it was mostly a waste of time for someone who didn't want to be an agronomist, or go into rural banking, or work in/own/run an ag store and most of the knowledge I have actually needed I have gained on the job. It was a fun couple of years drinking and running amok between working tho thats for sure!
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