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Post by SA Hunter on Feb 22, 2020 19:18:06 GMT 10
Caught up with Spinifex a few times the past few weeks, and had some really good chats.
The subject got to bartering,and he asked "If you are a prepper, what could someone possibly have that you will need?"
Got me thinking, so I'll throw this out for discussion - what could you possibly need from an unprepared person in a shtf scenario that you would need to barter for?
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Post by spatial on Feb 22, 2020 20:24:48 GMT 10
It comes down to skills, like medical (e.g if you need an appendix removed), it is also good to have the items required like a basic suture kit so the medical professional could use it if they have none of their own.
Mechanical maintenance could be an issue???
Labour to build something or plant crops, very labour intensive if fuel runs out. A storm might damage you house and you then need some muscle to get it fixed
Some guy might hijack a fuel truck you can then barter food for fuel.. It is mad max scenario, one will be very surprised what resources tools and implements the unprepared will accumulate that might be of interest to a prepper.
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Post by norseman on Feb 23, 2020 6:01:18 GMT 10
Soap!
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Post by bce1 on Feb 23, 2020 7:20:45 GMT 10
You will with absolute certainty forget something or not store enough of it.
So that immediately is trade. Hopefully by being a prepper you will be well placed to have something of value to trade.
Value is determined by how desperately you want something.
Not inconceivable that a number of doctors will survive x event who can take out an appendix. But how many with have the consumables to do it?
So often you are no just bartering for a skill, but you are bartering for potentially super scarce and unreplaceable supplies as well.
That makes it trickier.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 23, 2020 7:52:21 GMT 10
red hot bartering tip:
Never trade productive assets for consumables.
The best trades are consumables for productive assets.
The next best is consumable for consumable.
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Post by milspec on Feb 23, 2020 12:23:37 GMT 10
Trade what you can grow for what you cant grow. My neighbour keeps a dairy cow & calf ... we'll be trading for a supply of milk to make butter & cheese. Eggs. Olive oil. Seeds & manure for the non preppers  Electricity. |
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Post by norseman on Feb 23, 2020 12:52:55 GMT 10
If this virus gets serious legs then the Barter Economy is going to be bloody awesome! It's going to be a hardcore market reset with the middleman like Governments and Banks being made useless, irrelevant and helpless. Bring it on mate!
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Post by spinifex on Feb 23, 2020 18:12:59 GMT 10
I admire your enthusiasm Norseman.
Start reading up on life in Russia in the 90's and Zimbabwe for the last decade. Governments and banks are going to try and squeeze our economic testicles even harder AND be joined by ruthless capitalist mobsters and corrupt police/military.
Unless one intends to BE one of those capitalist mobsters life in a damaged economy generally sucks. Thats why people who live in those places jump on leaky boats and try and come here or get into Europe.
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Post by Tim Horton on Mar 2, 2020 16:49:23 GMT 10
Thinking about this some... I've never seen it said, but it seems many think this is going to be a giant free for all, a local bizarre of trading goods.. There might be that at times, in different places, but mostly it will likely be individuals, neighbors on a day by day basis..
I may be a bit too paranoid, but personally I think I would only trade, barter with people I know.. And frankly, be very picky about that. Anyone I don't know, or says, so and so say you have this or that to trade, my answer will be.... no that isn't true..
Being extremely selective what I trade, when, where, and with whom..
My 5 cents of opinion..
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Post by peter1942 on Mar 3, 2020 12:48:37 GMT 10
Living in a rural area with large garden and orchards the one thing we are always short of is labour.
You supply the labour, we supply the food.
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Post by frostbite on Mar 3, 2020 13:10:13 GMT 10
Living in a rural area with large garden and orchards the one thing we are always short of is labour. You supply the labour, we supply the food. I'd imagine the one thing shorter than labour is people willing to work for their food. I've got a useless parasite at home that has just had 3 months break from uni. He hasn't mown the lawn, cleaned the house, watered the garden even once. The lazy f@#k gets out of bed around midday and plays xbox or watches youtube the rest of the day. Because he's not my kid (both mine are very hard workers) I'm not allowed to insert my boot into his anal cavity. Butt he isn't slow to tell me if the food I provide isn't to his liking. Grrrrr |
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Post by norseman on Mar 3, 2020 13:14:16 GMT 10
Living in a rural area with large garden and orchards the one thing we are always short of is labour. You supply the labour, we supply the food. I'd imagine the one thing shorter than labour is people willing to work hard for their pay. No!! Not even work hard mate!! Just to actually work for your pay is an alien concept these days!! |
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Post by peter1942 on Mar 9, 2020 14:10:14 GMT 10
After reading a number of articles about the shortages of items in the supermarkets it makes one realise that probably the better part of the population would not have enough food in their homes for a week let alone other supplies.
I know that we are not the only ones with vegetable gardens and orchards but the greater percentage of people living in rural communities where they do have suitable ground for growing food items do not bother to do so. When you ask many of these people why they do not grow even the basic summer salad vegetables there are two standard answers, water is expensive or it is cheaper at the shops. None of them mention the work and time it takes to have a garden and it is my belief that time playing with the electronic devices is more important to them.
If this virus gets bad enough to take the trucks off the roads for several weeks we will see the true impact of what a disruption to supply means.
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Post by milspec on Mar 9, 2020 15:53:06 GMT 10
peter1942 when I was prepping to defend my neighbours place from bushfires I noted the unmaintained state of their veggie garden. I think it was mainly due to both of them being pretty busy between maintaining their place and working their other jobs. But yeah I thought it was a shame, they do have a mixed orchard though.
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Post by fei on Mar 9, 2020 16:23:11 GMT 10
My brother used to have a meat and veg box business, mainly serving urban customers, but also doing a fortnightly delivery out to farms 300km out.
I could never work out why he would be delivering meat, veg and fruit to farmers, especially as he would pass through towns that specially served fruit and veg growers.
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Post by VegHead on Mar 9, 2020 17:11:18 GMT 10
tis how we live.....
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Post by lonewolf on Mar 30, 2021 0:33:57 GMT 10
Living in a rural area with large garden and orchards the one thing we are always short of is labour. You supply the labour, we supply the food. This is the best type of barter in my opinion as long as its verbal/handshake type trust contract outside of tptb. Problem today is untrustworthy operators on both sides, there is always a level of greed that seeps in from my experiences.
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 30, 2021 16:55:22 GMT 10
Information, or intel, will be a tradeable commodity when it starts. Knowing what's happening will be invaluable in planning for you and your family's survival. After the initial die off, the need for intel will decrease, but it will still be needed, even as suggested to set up farmers markets or swap markets after things settle down.
I don't know what weapons will be used in the next war, but in the war after the next, surer than hell, they will be using spears.
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Post by frostbite on Mar 30, 2021 17:04:05 GMT 10
Heavy machinery, the type that costs tens of thousands of $ but gets used infrequently. Like an excavator or dozer. It would be good to have something to barter in exchange for the use of this type of equipment. ATM I'm trading beer for the use of the neighbour's 4.5t excavator.
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Post by malewithatail on Mar 31, 2021 7:06:57 GMT 10
And trading or barter isn't taxed by crocked Governments. But if they could they would.
Ask five economists and you will get five different answers, six if one went to Harvard.
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