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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 6:32:27 GMT 10
So kids can be "Super Carriers" I'm informed however the Gooberment insist that there is nothing to be gained by closing schools??? Anyone who has kids can tell you what you catch from them from daycare onwards in severity and frequency is legendary! From what I can see the Feds are more interested in keeping the "Economy" running as opposed to looking after the Physical Health of the Nation! Am I wrong about this?
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Post by PlanZ on Mar 19, 2020 8:41:25 GMT 10
Are they lying?: yes of course they’re lying! Or at least not telling the whole truth. Re the bigger issue you mention: yes I’m sure you’re right. Having kids has given me so many more illnesses than before I had kids. Not sure it’s a black and white issue though. With parents at home looking after kids they might not be available to perform other life saving/society protecting work. The governments agenda may well be sincerely targeted at the greater good while simultaneously putting more individuals and families at risk.
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 8:45:03 GMT 10
Are they lying?: yes of course they’re lying! Or at least not telling the whole truth. Re the bigger issue you mention: yes I’m sure you’re right. Having kids has given me so many more illnesses than before I had kids. Not sure it’s a black and white issue though. With parents at home looking after kids they might not be available to perform other life saving/society protecting work. The governments agenda may well be sincerely targeted at the greater good while simultaneously putting more individuals and families at risk. I'm shocked that the Federal Government would actually lie to it's own people! I wonder how long this has been going on?
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Post by blueshoes on Mar 19, 2020 9:28:02 GMT 10
I'm pretty sure that it really is just that the government is concerned that we need all the front line health workers. Some of our nursing and aged care workforce have kids in daycare - if we lost a fifth of our workforce because they were at home babysitting due to daycare and school closures we'd have an even bigger problem, as it lowers the "what the med system can cope with" bar we're trying to flatten the curve to get under...
Our kids' school is closing next week, they'll be shut for four weeks (including school holidays). The school said they're trying to be proactive so parents can make plans, rather than having the government change their mind and spring a closure on us with only a few hours notice. Also, they said many parents ARE keeping their kids home from school just-in-case, and all the panicking is disrupting classroom teaching
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Post by ygidorp on Mar 19, 2020 10:33:56 GMT 10
Question - why can't they re-task some existing government childcare/school resources to provide for health care workers, and lock everyone else down?
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Post by feralemma on Mar 19, 2020 10:40:11 GMT 10
The guvment really just seems to be fiddling while Rome burns, and are more concerned with keeping the economy going than interrupting it!
Yes keeping kids home from school would mean some parents can't work, but even if those kids have a parent who is required on the frontline of this they quite often have another parent who isn't and who can look after them.
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 10:52:55 GMT 10
Question - why can't they re-task some existing government childcare/school resources to provide for health care workers, and lock everyone else down? Because that requires critical thinking and it is beyond the pay grade and motivation of most Senior Public Servants and their Politician puppets!
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 10:54:07 GMT 10
The guvment really just seems to be fiddling while Rome burns, and are more concerned with keeping the economy going than interrupting it! Yes keeping kids home from school would mean some parents can't work, but even if those kids have a parent who is required on the frontline of this they quite often have another parent who isn't and who can look after them. It's absolutely all about the Economy PERIOD!!
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Post by blueshoes on Mar 19, 2020 11:39:57 GMT 10
Question - why can't they re-task some existing government childcare/school resources to provide for health care workers, and lock everyone else down? This is a really good question. Probably because it's not actually an interventionist govt, they aim to just provide law and order and get the free market to do the heavy lifting I read an article saying the YMCA in NSW announced they were making extra places available/dedicating a centre specifically for health care workers , or something, but it's dissappeared (probably related to the YMCA childcare having a poor child safety track record?) ... Whoever oberved earlier that anything useful that is happening is being done by private enterprise is spot on. Private schools proactively shutting... supermarkets introducing rationing... large offices sending everyone home ... medical clinics, pathology using PPE ... except for aged care which seems to be mixed, some waiting for instructions and some locking down early
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Post by spatial on Mar 19, 2020 11:59:50 GMT 10
Question - why can't they re-task some existing government childcare/school resources to provide for health care workers, and lock everyone else down? This is a really good question. Probably because it's not actually an interventionist govt, they aim to just provide law and order and get the free market to do the heavy lifting I read an article saying the YMCA in NSW announced they were making extra places available/dedicating a centre specifically for health care workers , or something, but it's dissappeared (probably related to the YMCA childcare having a poor child safety track record?) ... Whoever oberved earlier that anything useful that is happening is being done by private enterprise is spot on. Private schools proactively shutting... supermarkets introducing rationing... large offices sending everyone home ... medical clinics, pathology using PPE ... except for aged care which seems to be mixed, some waiting for instructions and some locking down early It was discussed on the radio yesterday that in Asian country like Korea/Singapore they kept a skeleton staff at schools like 2-3 teachers to care for essential service personal like medical staff. Rest of school closed down.
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Post by spatial on Mar 19, 2020 12:04:54 GMT 10
The guvment really just seems to be fiddling while Rome burns, and are more concerned with keeping the economy going than interrupting it! Yes keeping kids home from school would mean some parents can't work, but even if those kids have a parent who is required on the frontline of this they quite often have another parent who isn't and who can look after them. It's absolutely all about the Economy PERIOD!! It is a trade off --- More people will go broke from the virus than die from it. Most people will get the virus in the end, objective is to slow down the rate of infection to a level that the healthcare system can cope. Quantus telling all 30,000 employees to go home - shut 90% of flights... is just as bad it only ends badly.
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 12:30:11 GMT 10
It's absolutely all about the Economy PERIOD!! It is a trade off --- More people will go broke from the virus than die from it. Most people will get the virus in the end, objective is to slow down the rate of infection to a level that the healthcare system can cope. Quantus telling all 30,000 employees to go home - shut 90% of flights... is just as bad it only ends badly. spatial Fully agree! Forget the virus it's peoples perception / reaction and behaviour that will be far more dangerous! So far it has not been a good start, like just watch America go fully off the dial in the next few weeks!!
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Post by fei on Mar 19, 2020 13:49:27 GMT 10
This is a really good question. Probably because it's not actually an interventionist govt, they aim to just provide law and order and get the free market to do the heavy lifting I read an article saying the YMCA in NSW announced they were making extra places available/dedicating a centre specifically for health care workers , or something, but it's dissappeared (probably related to the YMCA childcare having a poor child safety track record?) ... Whoever oberved earlier that anything useful that is happening is being done by private enterprise is spot on. Private schools proactively shutting... supermarkets introducing rationing... large offices sending everyone home ... medical clinics, pathology using PPE ... except for aged care which seems to be mixed, some waiting for instructions and some locking down early It was discussed on the radio yesterday that in Asian country like Korea/Singapore they kept a skeleton staff at schools like 2-3 teachers to care for essential service personal like medical staff. Rest of school closed down. My kids' school just has the security guards on the gate, with cleaners and gardeners there a couple of times a week to keep facilities in shape. Teachers are all working from home, although reality is that primary school are mainly just checking homework that is photo'd and messaged to them by parents every day. All lessons are pre-recorded videos from different schools around the province that teachers get to choose from a library. I hear high school teachers are recording their own videos and / or livestreaming lessons though.
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Post by tomatoes on Mar 19, 2020 14:22:06 GMT 10
One school that was mentioned in the paper is going fully online with their learning but having some staff available at school, so kids can work from home or if parents can’t be at home to look after them the kids can work online at school.
I think that’s a great solution! It greatly reduces the number of kids at school but still provides that option without burdening teachers with having to teach both online and face-to-face.
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Post by ygidorp on Mar 19, 2020 15:33:29 GMT 10
It was discussed on the radio yesterday that in Asian country like Korea/Singapore they kept a skeleton staff at schools like 2-3 teachers to care for essential service personal like medical staff. Rest of school closed down. That is true, but remember Singapore is basically a police state. You attend national days celebrations, there's blokes walking around with rifles, and HMMMVs with .50 cal keeping an eye on things.
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Post by Beno on Mar 19, 2020 15:47:40 GMT 10
Yes it is a conspiracy to stop families reuniting and spending time together. We will realise what it is like to live again with complete families and less work pressures. As a result we will be reluctant to go back to the old system which is demonstrated itself to be broken. This is a glimpse of what life could be like if we instigate real change and leave the economic ball and chain behind.
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Post by Beno on Mar 19, 2020 15:48:02 GMT 10
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 16:03:16 GMT 10
Yes it is a conspiracy to stop families reuniting and spending time together. We will realise what it is like to live again with complete families and less work pressures. As a result we will be reluctant to go back to the old system which is demonstrated itself to be broken. This is a glimpse of what life could be like if we instigate real change and leave the economic ball and chain behind. Beno The last thing the ruling Leftards want is the reforming of strong, free thinking, cohesive family groups!
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Post by norseman on Mar 19, 2020 16:15:52 GMT 10
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Post by bce1 on Mar 19, 2020 18:02:33 GMT 10
Certainly the main reason in NZ is what twooldblueshoes said above and is commented on above, about essential service families. We have 30% of our nurses as solo parents - school holidays causes rostering chaos anyway and unplanned school closures would be a staffing disaster.
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