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Post by captain on Mar 20, 2020 20:22:18 GMT 10
Anyone else getting any bad vibes about everything that is happening? Some countries are close to having martial law in place. California is all but locked down. We have school holidays coming up. Government is making some very quick decisions that have long term Serious implications. They are talking at least 6 months - then there is the economy....then there is this so called bio-hazard bill that is “fencing” off parts of Australia. Qld talking about locked in for this weekend. Not even able to go to church now. Etc etc...
why isn’t Africa going crazy?
where is this going to end...more importantly, who is really in control and calling all these shots that seem to be so common In the western or developed world?
Am I alone in having a very bad feeling about all of this?
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Post by SA Hunter on Mar 20, 2020 20:31:11 GMT 10
I had a bad feeling about the virus when it hit Japan. I put my preps into top up mode.
Yeah, I worry about the economy, and if it snowballs, about the implosion of society - it will be a dog eat dog every man for himself scenario. That's when people's true nature will come to the surface.
Bio Hazard Bill - need to read it before I'll comment, but from what I hear, hmmm.......
I also worry about a shooting war to take people's mind off the virus. Makes for better ratings too!
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Post by wanderer on Mar 20, 2020 20:35:44 GMT 10
This is it, agenda 2030 in full swing. Whether tptb can fully enforce it is another question. I dont doubt the virus is real but the reaction to it is unreal!
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Post by fei on Mar 20, 2020 20:46:05 GMT 10
why isn’t Africa going crazy? Africa not going crazy because just like Thailand, Indonesia, USA until recently etc, they're not testing for the disease. One of my mates made it out of China just before our lockdown began. Got back to the US, then had his boss send him to Africa for business meetings (can't remember if was Ethiopia or Ghana). He has been there plenty of times before and never had any trouble apart from the usual issues you get in that part of the world. This time he had bad food poisoning, and then was attacked when he went to the hospital because people assumed he was infected. Hospital staff told him that they had had at least one case of an infected Italian businessman driving about and unknowingly infecting other people, but they had been able to catch most of his contacts through tracing. That was a few weeks back, so presumably they have had more cases since. (Mate is now in the US with his family, hoping no-one with the virus gets to his little town in the boonies)
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Post by blueshoes on Mar 20, 2020 21:17:01 GMT 10
I'm starting to get suspicious. I can't see what's on the other side of this yet but watching countries all over the place- capitalist, communist, dictatorship or democracy - all go into lockdown, combined with the economic climate is creeping me out. In the past when this scale of stuff has happened it's always been semi localised and external forces have been brought to bear... all the countries falling like dominoes on a global scale feels like the apocalypse might actually be around the corner.
Sounds dramatic, but look at the way the world has changed in just four weeks
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2020 22:08:05 GMT 10
Yeah, I get the feeling the western beancounters did the numbers and thought we would have an advantage to burn fast and recover first. The difficulty in accessing testing is too uniform. The seemingly draconian containment responses are always too late or have back doors left open. That BS about masks and gloves being "useless" etc.
Problem is we know nothing about the long term effects (or do we?). Gaining "immunity" just means your immune system is trained to fights something, it doesn't always mean that it is the end of the story.
I still get my arse kicked every few years from either Ross River or Barmah Forest symptoms (they don't know which because as I have antibodies for both), and I "beat" them over 30 years ago.
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Post by PlanZ on Mar 20, 2020 23:06:00 GMT 10
Sometimes I think we’re just a few weeks away from things calming down, other times it seems like we keep underestimating this thing and there is a long way still to fall.
The full impact of the global economic turmoil feels very unpredictable. It doesn’t seem outrageous to imagine that this could lead to dangerous disruption to society.
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Post by Beno on Mar 21, 2020 7:31:31 GMT 10
we could go down many rabbit holes on this one. There seem to be a few coincidences like the recent passing of the cash legislation. They said we’d never go to negative interest rates but not 6 months later it”s knocking in the door.
The vibe for me is the sheep are waking and realising that the world can be a nasty place when the chips are down. My brother last christmas argued the benefits of a global world in the fact that it helps prevent wars and is good for people. He was one of the first people i know that started panicking. I can see some moderation of peoples political ideologies. I see a more nuanced way forward that if we get it right could lead to a very significant change to our lives for the positive. I suspect he hard headed desire for business as usual will prevail and we will ignore the aviary full of dead canaries in the coal mine.
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Post by norseman on Mar 21, 2020 7:34:56 GMT 10
we could go down many rabbit holes on this one. There seem to be a few coincidences like the recent passing of the cash legislation. They said we’d never go to negative interest rates but not 6 months later it”s knocking in the door. The vibe for me is the sheep are waking and realising that the world can be a nasty place when the chips are down. My brother last christmas argued the benefits of a global world in the fact that it helps prevent wars and is good for people. He was one of the first people i know that started panicking. I can see some moderation of peoples political ideologies. I see a more nuanced way forward that if we get it right could lead to a very significant change to our lives for the positive. I suspect he hard headed desire for business as usual will prevail and we will ignore the aviary full of dead canaries in the coal mine. Kinda funny all the screaming Leftards are quickly dumping their socialist / communist leanings and turning full blown Neo Nazi in the supermarkets!!
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Post by bug on Mar 21, 2020 8:30:56 GMT 10
we could go down many rabbit holes on this one. There seem to be a few coincidences like the recent passing of the cash legislation. They said we’d never go to negative interest rates but not 6 months later it”s knocking in the door. The vibe for me is the sheep are waking and realising that the world can be a nasty place when the chips are down. My brother last christmas argued the benefits of a global world in the fact that it helps prevent wars and is good for people. He was one of the first people i know that started panicking. I can see some moderation of peoples political ideologies. I see a more nuanced way forward that if we get it right could lead to a very significant change to our lives for the positive. I suspect he hard headed desire for business as usual will prevail and we will ignore the aviary full of dead canaries in the coal mine. Kinda funny all the screaming Leftards are quickly dumping their socialist / communist leanings and turning full blown Neo Nazi in the supermarkets!! Yep. The empty supermarkets are worst in the inner city lefty suburbs. Would have thought lines at the supermarket and empty shelves would make communists feel at home. I do feel for those who fled Eastern Europe from the reds. Pensioners struggling to get basic groceries must have been thinking 'not this crap again...'
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Post by spinifex on Mar 21, 2020 8:36:40 GMT 10
We used to face up to much worse with much less medical tech over the past 100,000 years. Seriously ... our great grandparents had to face smallpox, Typhus, cholera, polio, scarlet fever etc with zero meds and hospitals that most people regarded as terrifying. Our grandparents muddled through world wars. Our parents and many of ourselves got quite used to having total thermonuclear destruction hanging over our heads for 40 years. (That was so 'normal' for us that no-one now even thinks that was a 'real thing'.)
My Grandparents, mother and her siblings, had to endure an 8 month famine and US strategic bombing attacks that reduced them to eating tree bark and ornamental flower bulbs. They came out the other side of that ordeal.
I see no generalised mad-max style world on the horizon - but some pockets of disturbance are a certainty. I see a simpler future with some much needed re-adjustment of political and social priorities.
Look on the bright side: No-one is bleating about climate change or the magical 'terrorist threat' anymore. The worriers have something more tangible to grapple with now.
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Post by spatial on Mar 21, 2020 8:38:03 GMT 10
I'm starting to get suspicious. I can't see what's on the other side of this yet but watching countries all over the place- capitalist, communist, dictatorship or democracy - all go into lockdown, combined with the economic climate is creeping me out. In the past when this scale of stuff has happened it's always been semi localised and external forces have been brought to bear... all the countries falling like dominoes on a global scale feels like the apocalypse might actually be around the corner. Sounds dramatic, but look at the way the world has changed in just four weeks To me it is the beginning of the end {teotwawki} there will be no recovery from this, things will change permanently. Resources will become scares and the trade wars will evolve into hot wars. The debt bubble is deflating and with most companies and individuals up to their eyeballs in debt and mass die-off from the virus. Bush fires, floods, locust plagues I was preaching 2020 as year of doom even prior to the virus hitting. It is the perfect storm with everything colliding simultaneously.
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Post by grumble on Mar 21, 2020 8:43:56 GMT 10
Heres a crazy thought its totally tin foil way out there but....
What if those in charge were like
"haha we got this we are a well developed western power"
then the body count and infections started to mount up rapidly and they realized that this is not 'just like the flu' and they writing was on the wall very quickly where this ends if drastic step are not taken
We can poo poo it as much as we like and say its all a big scam or its a conspiracy or some UN agenda but we are also not the ones that millions of people will look to and demand answers from when thousands of elderly parents , grandparents , cancer patients and other at risk people due to underlying health issues die from the virus plus the thousands of other people that will suffer unnecessary pain and discomfort or worse death because the hospitals simple couldn't treat them
The best hope we have as a country and as a society is to slow burn the virus through the community and try to reduce the load on the healthcare system also to reduce the rate of illness and infection within the available workforce because we need to have people still able to perform critical roles to maintain social stability.
The only way to enable a slow burn is to do what they are doing now but should of done it a month ago
Also when i see things like i did the other day on facebook where there was a page dedicated to infecting boomers listing steps to take for maximum impact i know this plays part of how the government makes its decisions because as cute "lets infect the grey haired old male boomers "sounds it realistically and act of bio terrorism so those that have the elected responsibility for community safety and security will simply say "yep you cant be trusted lets lock everyone down"
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Post by spatial on Mar 21, 2020 8:45:09 GMT 10
We used to face up to much worse with much less medical tech over the past 100,000 years. Seriously ... our great grandparents had to face smallpox, Typhus, cholera, polio, scarlet fever etc with zero meds and hospitals that most people regarded as terrifying. Our grandparents muddled through world wars. Our parents and many of ourselves got quite used to having total thermonuclear destruction hanging over our heads for 40 years. (That was so 'normal' for us that no-one now even thinks that was a 'real thing'.) My Grandparents, mother and her siblings, had to endure an 8 month famine and US strategic bombing attacks that reduced them to eating tree bark and ornamental flower bulbs. They came out the other side of that ordeal. I see no generalised mad-max style world on the horizon - but some pockets of disturbance are a certainty. I see a simpler future with some much needed re-adjustment of political and social priorities. Look on the bright side: No-one is bleating about climate change or the magical 'terrorist threat' anymore. The worriers have something more tangible to grapple with now. Previously the majority of the population lived in rural setting and have own veg gardens, chickens, a milk cow etc... Now +90% urban and remote manufacturing and farming, robots taking over most jobs, meds made with ingredients from different countries, and aging population - total moral decline, youth with no work ethics, huge drug problems and reliance on meds ----- it is very different from our parents day.
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Post by norseman on Mar 21, 2020 8:48:03 GMT 10
I'm starting to get suspicious. I can't see what's on the other side of this yet but watching countries all over the place- capitalist, communist, dictatorship or democracy - all go into lockdown, combined with the economic climate is creeping me out. In the past when this scale of stuff has happened it's always been semi localised and external forces have been brought to bear... all the countries falling like dominoes on a global scale feels like the apocalypse might actually be around the corner. Sounds dramatic, but look at the way the world has changed in just four weeks To me it is the beginning of the end {teotwawki} there will be no recovery from this, things will change permanently. Resources will become scares and the trade wars will evolve into hot wars. The debt bubble is deflating and with most companies and individuals up to their eyeballs in debt and mass die-off from the virus. Bush fires, floods, locust plagues I was preaching 2020 as year of doom even prior to the virus hitting. It is the perfect storm with everything colliding simultaneously. This time around it could be the real deal! Shit is goin down!
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Post by spatial on Mar 21, 2020 8:54:01 GMT 10
The best hope we have as a country and as a society is to slow burn the virus through the community and try to reduce the load on the healthcare system also to reduce the rate of illness and infection within the available workforce because we need to have people still able to perform critical roles to maintain social stability. This is how Aussies tackle social distancing Bondi beach yesterday even busier than on major holidays. Soon Sydney will be in lock down and hospitals overwhelmed.
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Post by grumble on Mar 21, 2020 9:22:33 GMT 10
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Post by norseman on Mar 21, 2020 9:26:22 GMT 10
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Post by grumble on Mar 21, 2020 9:27:53 GMT 10
The best hope we have as a country and as a society is to slow burn the virus through the community and try to reduce the load on the healthcare system also to reduce the rate of illness and infection within the available workforce because we need to have people still able to perform critical roles to maintain social stability. This is how Aussies tackle social distancing Bondi beach yesterday even busier than on major holidays. Soon Sydney will be in lock down and hospitals overwhelmed. and like i said those that have the elected responsibility for community safety and security will simply say "yep you cant be trusted lets lock everyone down" Then everyone gets mad over draconian laws because well people are stupid and constantly as a collective prove their masters right
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Post by grumble on Mar 21, 2020 9:35:16 GMT 10
funny story about Tasmania while its a little island state that most people disregard back in 2006 when H5N1 was starting to get a bit sporty a federal minister said "Tasmania would be used as the last bastion of where the Australian way of life may prevail' It has its own special little quarantine zone that basically if the federal laws effecting the designate Quarantine zones across Australia as drawn up in 2004 kind of similar to the Brisbane line and the Newcastle line of WW2 mean TAS gets a truckload of support and shuts its doors to everyone not already in the state and sits back with the popcorn
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