cindy
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Post by cindy on Jul 1, 2020 18:21:22 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 1, 2020 19:04:48 GMT 10
China!
What states with the massive recruitment drive??
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Post by spinifex on Jul 1, 2020 19:09:00 GMT 10
The only thing better than long range missiles are SLBM's housed in nice new nuclear submarines.
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cindy
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Post by cindy on Jul 1, 2020 19:21:01 GMT 10
Recruitment drive is in Vic.
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bug
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Post by bug on Jul 1, 2020 19:41:01 GMT 10
Who would want to be a policeman these days...
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Post by frostbite on Jul 1, 2020 20:46:13 GMT 10
My daughter applied for Qld Police perhaps 5 years ago, when she was sick of pommy NCO's trying to run our army as poorly as they had run theirs. Tried my hardest but couldn't talk her out of it. She's tough as nails, but nobody is immune to years of dealing daily with Logan type scum. Luckily a recruitment freeze put her on hold long enough for her to be poached by an Israeli military contractor.
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Post by bushdoc2 on Jul 1, 2020 20:56:42 GMT 10
Long range missiles? Strategic fuel reserve? Nuclear powered unicorn-based cavalry? Don't tell me what you're going to do, let me know when its DONE, tested and functional.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 2, 2020 19:07:12 GMT 10
Yep. It's proven time and again its easier to spend the money than procure the actual 'battle ready' hardware.
This is why I like Russian stuff. It exists. It's available. It's at least as good (if not in many cases better) than western products and at a lower purchase and support cost.
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bug
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Post by bug on Jul 3, 2020 8:18:16 GMT 10
Hold your horses. Here in Australia we only buy equipment that doesn't exist yet.
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cindy
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Post by cindy on Jul 3, 2020 8:23:12 GMT 10
Hold your horses. Here in Australia we only buy equipment that doesn't exist yet. Hahahaha, yeah forgot we did that.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 3, 2020 18:01:27 GMT 10
Hold your horses. Here in Australia we only buy equipment that doesn't exist yet. Sadly ... yes. That does seem to be pattern. We also buy redundant stuff too which seems more suited to off-shore police actions than actual National Defence. Does anyone here know how credible our air defence systems are? Do we have anything beyond minor battlefield defence capacity? Would we have the capacity to deter airstrikes on Darwin from say Su34's? Or drop Su35's (which our likely adversaries are tooling up with) sortieing over northern Oz? Or would we end up making our own 'technicals' consisting of re-activated ANZAC memorial ordnance mounted on the back of farm trucks?
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Post by Joey on Jul 3, 2020 21:19:00 GMT 10
Hold your horses. Here in Australia we only buy equipment that doesn't exist yet. Sadly ... yes. That does seem to be pattern. We also buy redundant stuff too which seems more suited to off-shore police actions than actual National Defence. Does anyone here know how credible our air defence systems are? Do we have anything beyond minor battlefield defence capacity? Would we have the capacity to deter airstrikes on Darwin from say Su34's? Or drop Su35's (which our likely adversaries are tooling up with) sortieing over northern Oz? Or would we end up making our own 'technicals' consisting of re-activated ANZAC memorial ordnance mounted on the back of farm trucks? Currently we only really have the "over the horizon" radar system to detect while the RAAF scrambles from Amberley or Katherine. As far as ground defence, we only have a couple of trained army units mostly based in SA that have ground to air capability. So pretty much Australia's only real current defence is our vastness and having a bit of time for fighters to intercept before any incoming attacks can get to any major centres (sorry Darwin lol)
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Post by Morgo on Jul 4, 2020 18:52:31 GMT 10
Long range missiles are nice but I'd rather see a modern fleet of nuclear anit-sub/ship subs patrolling our waters. Mix in a couple or so with nuclear ICBM capabilities and we would have an actual deterrent to any country.
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Post by kelabar on Jul 4, 2020 22:36:10 GMT 10
Long range missiles are nice but I'd rather see a modern fleet of nuclear anit-sub/ship subs patrolling our waters. Mix in a couple or so with nuclear ICBM capabilities and we would have an actual deterrent to any country. Yup. Nothing says "don't mess with us" like a sheet of radioactive glass in the middle of an enemy's flattened city. Nasty but it works. And as Joey says, vastness is our friend. This is probably why a lot of defence stuff is in Adelaide. Central at the bottom of the country so difficult to get to.
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Post by bug on Jul 5, 2020 8:20:25 GMT 10
Military hardware is not the right way to stop the CCP. There's no point at all spending huge amounts of money on this whilst allowing the CCP to buy our infrastructure, buy our politicians and send 'influencers' here. Until we stop welcoming the 5th column inside our gates, there's not much point in having long range defences.
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Post by Beno on Jul 5, 2020 8:34:38 GMT 10
Military hardware is not the right way to stop the CCP. There's no point at all spending huge amounts of money on this whilst allowing the CCP to buy our infrastructure, buy our politicians and send 'influencers' here. Until we stop welcoming the 5th column inside our gates, there's not much point in having long range defences. This +100. ”we”. needs to be just a handful of treasonous multi billionaires like Gina redhard etc.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 6, 2020 7:49:02 GMT 10
Comprehensive plan......
First and foremost... The policy "friend to all, allied to none" And the friend part goes until they show they don't deserve it..
Some long range missiles.. Large investment in a Patriot type missile program.. This an Israel or US product ?? But effective..
Every able citizen registered. Every current, former, volunteer a rifleman first.
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This is why I like Russian stuff. It exists. It's available. It's at least as good (if not in many cases better) than western products and at a lower purchase and support cost.
+++ This is very valid.. The one thing about Russian equipment you can say from roughly 1917 until now is that it may not be fancy, cutting edge, multi purpose, or all purpose but it is most effective at what it is capable of doing.. Like said, cheap and easy to keep huge stocks against a adversary.. Again, for instance... There are quite a number of better things than an RPG, but when facing a million of them, an aggressor is is deep trouble..
+++ There's no point at all spending huge amounts of money on this whilst allowing the CCP to buy our infrastructure, buy our politicians and send 'influencers' here. Until we stop welcoming the 5th column inside our gates, there's not much point in having long range defences.
+++ Don't EVEN get me started on this one...
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 13, 2020 8:47:59 GMT 10
Another bit of info that goes along with things of late..
Facts, details, thoughts ?? ??
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Post by kelabar on Jul 25, 2020 21:16:26 GMT 10
Or would we end up making our own 'technicals' consisting of re-activated ANZAC memorial ordnance mounted on the back of farm trucks? Get the old Albion out from behind the shed, drive down to the local RSL and load up the 25 pounder out the front of it. Couple of crates of shells and you have our strategic reserve! My favourite defence purchase was the choppers with floors that bent if anyone got in them! Didn't work out too bad, we sold them to the Kiwis, I think!
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Post by kelabar on Jul 25, 2020 21:39:50 GMT 10
Another bit of info that goes along with things of late.. Facts, details, thoughts ?? ?? Thanks, Tim. Someone from OS has to tell us about this. (insert swear word). This makes three videos I've watched here. All about defence. Says something about what I'm worried about. Summary of the video. Limited info unfortunately. RAAF base Tindal in the NT is getting runway extensions to handle yank B-52s and heavy refuelling planes. We have no way of striking very far from Aus now the F-111s are gone. B-52s can. Also the value of aerial refuelling cannot be stressed enough. Being able to keep planes in the air is a huge advantage. We've got some refuellers but there are never enough and they are high priority targets. It would be better if all 5 bases got extensions but this wasn't mentioned. Also Aus can now buy advanced anti-ship missiles from the US. These haven't been combat tested but any anti-ship missiles would be good. I have no idea what we have. If we can find enemy fleets. jam 2 or 4 missiles on Hawks, refuel them all the way there and launch, it might be worth losing the Hawks to do this. If we can stop enemy shipping, they cannot support an invasion, we win.
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