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Post by bce1 on Jun 28, 2021 11:32:45 GMT 10
Curious to peoples views here. It clearly generates a lot of discussion!!
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Post by frostbite on Jun 28, 2021 12:11:02 GMT 10
Being told what to do is my main concern, especially when they don't really work.
Here's a question for you BCE1, if a person exhales a mouth full of cigarette smoke whilst wearing a mask, and the smoke escapes the mask, does that mean the covid virus can enter the mouth or nose through the mask?
My point being, most people wearing most masks wouldn't pass the smoke test, making the mask pointless, giving the wearer and those around them a false sense of security.
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Post by spatial on Jun 28, 2021 12:32:08 GMT 10
I am sitting in an office of 2, each wearing a mask and then come lunch time the other guy takes mask off to eat – it is kind of pointless.
In public esp public transport wearing a mask is recommended. If one coughs the distance traveled by moisture droplets is like 5m. If wearing a mask it is something like 0.2m. also the amount of virus released is much less – so masks do reduce spread. My understanding is the virus is attached to moisture droplets that are breathed or coughed out which behave differently to smoke.
The purpose of the mask is not to prevent you from being exposed in an areas that has become contaminated, but reduces the spread by an infected person. With Covid one can be asymptomatic and still be infectious. Only sick people should wear masks – but one does not know who is infected.
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Post by bce1 on Jun 28, 2021 12:48:10 GMT 10
A surgical mask which is what these are, are designed to protect others from you. It’s not about stopping smoke, it’s about reducing the amount and size of the particles you breath put. TBH these masks are at the more useless end of the spectrum but I would argue that even if only 5-10% effective- which is probably as good as the get. Reducing the amount of mucus and snot people cough and sneeze is a good thing. It isn’t a panacea.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 28, 2021 12:48:35 GMT 10
Being told what to do is my main concern, especially when they don't really work. Here's a question for you BCE1, if a person exhales a mouth full of cigarette smoke whilst wearing a mask, and the smoke escapes the mask, does that mean the covid virus can enter the mouth or nose through the mask? My point being, most people wearing most masks wouldn't pass the smoke test, making the mask pointless, giving the wearer and those around them a false sense of security. You're right there. There's a big chunk of the population who don't wear masks properly and that does increase the risks for the general population. But arguing that you shouldn't wear one because someone else doesn't do it right is like saying that you shouldn't jump out of a plane with a parachute on, because most people who go down in plane crashes aren't wearing them and even if they did they probably wouldn't survive. Cool, but if you DO jump out of a plane with a chute and someone else next to you doesn't wear one, who's more likely to survive the landing? If someone exhales a mouth full of cigarette smoke while wearing a mask, I'm going to question their sanity anyway lmao. But we're not trying to pass a smoke test, we're trying to pass a spit/snot test. Cigarette smoke particles are a lot smaller than your average snot droplets from someone sneezing or coughing in general. You're right in that masks will never prevent everything entirely. But wearing masks is about harm reduction, not harm prevention. Catch some of the grot before it hits others. We won't get it all but some is better than none. My thought is pretty simple. What happens if I wear a mask? It's inconvenient, stuffy and annoying. I have to work a little harder to breath. It's pretty gross when it's cold and your nose starts running inside the mask. I also have a better chance of avoiding an illness that I either could spread to my near and dear at risk loves, and protecting myself from possible death simply by passing some grubby snotbag on the street. And as an aside I can get around in the streets in an even more grey man way because i'm less identifiable with a mask on because everyone's wearing them.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 28, 2021 12:57:21 GMT 10
I wear a mask when it's mandated, apart from at work, but I don't have any illusions that the mask is protecting me. Staying away from crowded areas as often as possible is what protects me. No pubs, no clubs, no cinemas, no public transport, no concerts or sporting events, and a 'get in and get out asap' policy at shops has been my mantra for a while now.
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Post by illuminati on Jun 28, 2021 13:06:45 GMT 10
If it reduces the germs in the air you breath in by 10%, and then it’s reducing your chances of getting covid. It’s like saying if a seat belt only helped in 1/10 crashes so no point in wearing one. It might not be 100% effective but it is probably better than nothing. It’s also harder to touch your mouth with your dirty hands when your mouth is covered.
Preppers will stock food, and gas masks, and precious metals, and other supplies for a just in case in the future that may never happen. To be cautious and prepared. But won’t wear a face mask because that’s what the man wants.
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Post by Beno on Jun 28, 2021 14:00:21 GMT 10
I don’t mind but i have the luxury to work from home which many don’t. I would be bucking if i had to wear one all day at work. Australians are good at doing what we are told, look at Dictoria.
The public should be up in arms about this whole outbreak. STOP BRINGING FUGGEN INFECTED PEOPLE INTO THE BLOODY COUNTRY! Set up a pre arrival station in Singapore and quarantine them there then send them to home isolation upon arrival after testing.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 28, 2021 14:08:20 GMT 10
If it reduces the germs in the air you breath in by 10%, and then it’s reducing your chances of getting covid. It’s like saying if a seat belt only helped in 1/10 crashes so no point in wearing one. It might not be 100% effective but it is probably better than nothing. It’s also harder to touch your mouth with your dirty hands when your mouth is covered. Preppers will stock food, and gas masks, and precious metals, and other supplies for a just in case in the future that may never happen. To be cautious and prepared. But won’t wear a face mask because that’s what the man wants. This is where probability can be misleading. Using this logic, I could argue that if a bullet proof vest stops 10% of bullets, it's reducing your chances of dying by gunshot. Unless of course, if you get hit with a thousand round burst. Much like if you breathed in air containing covid through an ineffectual ask. Stopping 10% of a million virus particles isn't going to improve your outcome.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 28, 2021 18:07:42 GMT 10
I wear a mask when it's mandated, apart from at work, but I don't have any illusions that the mask is protecting me. Staying away from crowded areas as often as possible is what protects me. No pubs, no clubs, no cinemas, no public transport, no concerts or sporting events, and a 'get in and get out asap' policy at shops has been my mantra for a while now. Correct. Other peoples masks are protecting you. Especially from the annoying buggers who cough and sneeze in an uncontrolled manner in confined spaces. Those cretins annoyed crap out of me BEFORE we ever had covid.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 28, 2021 18:17:40 GMT 10
If it reduces the germs in the air you breath in by 10%, and then it’s reducing your chances of getting covid. It’s like saying if a seat belt only helped in 1/10 crashes so no point in wearing one. It might not be 100% effective but it is probably better than nothing. It’s also harder to touch your mouth with your dirty hands when your mouth is covered. Preppers will stock food, and gas masks, and precious metals, and other supplies for a just in case in the future that may never happen. To be cautious and prepared. But won’t wear a face mask because that’s what the man wants. This is where probability can be misleading. Using this logic, I could argue that if a bullet proof vest stops 10% of bullets, it's reducing your chances of dying by gunshot. Unless of course, if you get hit with a thousand round burst. Much like if you breathed in air containing covid through an ineffectual ask. Stopping 10% of a million virus particles isn't going to improve your outcome. ... if someone offered you a $2 ticket in a million dollar raffle ... with only 10 tickets in total ... you wouldn't buy that ticket??? That is only a 10% effective outcome too. And I'm sure that 100% of people would buy that ticket. What is the down-side to wearing a mask??? Doesn't it help one hide from facial recognition cameras???
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Post by milspec on Jun 28, 2021 19:12:11 GMT 10
Whilst covid continues to get nastier and we remain unaware of long term risks, I'm happy to wear a mask where I have an increased chance of exposure. I'd rather do that than take a rushed vaccine. I'm no anti vaxxer, as a military aircrew type, Ive had my fair share of vaccinations.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 28, 2021 19:29:49 GMT 10
Quote: ... if someone offered you a $2 ticket in a million dollar raffle ... with only 10 tickets in total ... you wouldn't buy that ticket???
That is only a 10% effective outcome too. And I'm sure that 100% of people would buy that ticket.
What is someone told you to swim across a crocodile infested river, where you had a 1 in 10 chance of surviving? That is only a 10% effective outcome too. And I'm sure 100% of people wouldn't take the chance.
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Post by lonewolf on Jun 28, 2021 22:57:19 GMT 10
Dont wear those cheap chinese made blue and white throwaway masks, i heard some can contain graphene oxide.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 29, 2021 8:14:18 GMT 10
Quote: ... if someone offered you a $2 ticket in a million dollar raffle ... with only 10 tickets in total ... you wouldn't buy that ticket??? That is only a 10% effective outcome too. And I'm sure that 100% of people would buy that ticket. What is someone told you to swim across a crocodile infested river, where you had a 1 in 10 chance of surviving? That is only a 10% effective outcome too. And I'm sure 100% of people wouldn't take the chance. Not even close to the same thing: A mask wont kill you in the attempt. Nor will a raffle ticket.
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Post by blueshoes on Jun 29, 2021 8:19:51 GMT 10
I don't mind wearing one where appropriate, but have 2 issues with them - not being able to lip read (I'm half deaf) and having a much harder time reading facial expressions. Oh and for little kids they can be terrifying because it's so much harder to recognise adults and read their faces for reassurance.
Dry country humour is even harder to pick up when you have even less clues (like the twitch at the corner of the mouth on an otherwise straight face). I mean some people give NO indication but most will show something at some point.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 29, 2021 8:38:45 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Jun 29, 2021 9:41:59 GMT 10
I don't mind wearing one where appropriate, but have 2 issues with them - not being able to lip read (I'm half deaf) and having a much harder time reading facial expressions. Oh and for little kids they can be terrifying because it's so much harder to recognise adults and read their faces for reassurance. Dry country humour is even harder to pick up when you have even less clues (like the twitch at the corner of the mouth on an otherwise straight face). I mean some people give NO indication but most will show something at some point. I'm in the same ballpark blue. Despite my age, apparently I have the hearing of someone twice my age. For many years my hearing has been terrible and I didn't know because I'd gotten so good at lip reading and using context cues that I had no idea how bad it was until fairly recently. It can be really quite frustrating when you suddenly can't use half of your sense to follow a conversation. At least the wrinkles in the corners of my eyes are impressively pronounced so that people can tell when I'm smiling behind the mask. That's a good thing, right? RIGHT?! Hahahaha.
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Post by Stealth on Jun 29, 2021 9:43:59 GMT 10
I wear a mask when it's mandated, apart from at work, but I don't have any illusions that the mask is protecting me. Staying away from crowded areas as often as possible is what protects me. No pubs, no clubs, no cinemas, no public transport, no concerts or sporting events, and a 'get in and get out asap' policy at shops has been my mantra for a while now. Words for us all to live by, I think. I believe that masks are absolutely effective... To a point. It's not going to do you any good if you're wearing a mask but then touch your face after using a self-serve checkout. The best defense is a good offense, and staying away from people in general isn't just good for social distancing. It's good for avoiding the raging idiots who just want the world to burn lmfao.
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Post by tomatoes on Jun 29, 2021 21:37:42 GMT 10
I think the issue of how the masks are worn is not given enough attention. Even a small gap is a big problem. Look at the difference in effectiveness with no gap and with a gap above - and they are only talking about tiny gaps.
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