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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 22, 2021 5:21:45 GMT 10
twitter.com/i/web/status/1417426275313065985I hope this is the correct link to a Twitter (?) or the like platform that was in a post on another forum.. If the link doesn't work.. In general it is an medical officer for one of the regions saying NOT to talk to anyone.. If you meet a friend or neighbor, don't speak to them.. Is this for real ??
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Post by bce1 on Jul 22, 2021 6:24:17 GMT 10
Bit pathetic isn’t it. They are shitting themselves the delta variant is getting out of control. You can argue the level of risk with that but that’s why they are panicking. If you built your entire COVID model on eradication and vaccination and you cannot do either despite spending billions of dollars that is a monumental failure. If NSW loses eradication so does the rest of Australia without draconian - even compared to this - state intervention with won’t be tolerated….. I think in hindsight Boris Johnson will be seen to be right…… or maybe not!
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Post by norseman on Jul 22, 2021 6:56:53 GMT 10
Bit pathetic isn’t it. They are shitting themselves the delta variant is getting out of control. You can argue the level of risk with that but that’s why they are panicking. If you built your entire COVID model on eradication and vaccination and you cannot do either despite spending billions of dollars that is a monumental failure. If NSW loses eradication so does the rest of Australia without draconian - even compared to this - state intervention with won’t be tolerated….. I think in hindsight Boris Johnson will be seen to be right…… or maybe not! You are not allowed to talk to anyone outside your front door! The scariest shit is they will make that a health order and NSW Police will without conscience gleefully enforce it! The tension at those daily press conferences oozes out of the screen!
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Post by norseman on Jul 22, 2021 7:10:52 GMT 10
twitter.com/i/web/status/1417426275313065985I hope this is the correct link to a Twitter (?) or the like platform that was in a post on another forum.. If the link doesn't work.. In general it is an medical officer for one of the regions saying NOT to talk to anyone.. If you meet a friend or neighbor, don't speak to them.. Is this for real ?? It's for real mate! Taxpayer funded Public Servants and Politicians in Australia make the commies in Canada look like Right Wing Extremists!
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 22, 2021 8:13:08 GMT 10
At Wollies in Casino yesterday, Police enforcing mask mandate as you entered as well as checking on your sign in. Police state here we come.
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 8:20:25 GMT 10
It's for real mate! Taxpayer funded Public Servants and Politicians in Australia make the commies in Canada look like Right Wing Extremists! "It's for real mate! Taxpayer funded Pubic Serpents and Politifilth in Australiastan make the commies in Canada look like Good Blokes!" There you go buddy, fixed your spelling for you.
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Post by spinifex on Jul 22, 2021 9:22:37 GMT 10
Bit pathetic isn’t it. They are shitting themselves the delta variant is getting out of control. You can argue the level of risk with that but that’s why they are panicking. If you built your entire COVID model on eradication and vaccination and you cannot do either despite spending billions of dollars that is a monumental failure. If NSW loses eradication so does the rest of Australia without draconian - even compared to this - state intervention with won’t be tolerated….. I think in hindsight Boris Johnson will be seen to be right…… or maybe not! What was Boris Johnson right about? I think hindsight will demonstrate that the Australian governments at federal and state levels have failed to use the 'covid free time' bought by attempted eradication to effectively increase the capacity of the medical industry. Specifically building a number of new hospitals to deal with the New Normal.South Australia is a prime example: Our hospitals and Ambulance system declared an internal state of emergency because a single A&E at Modbury Hospital shut down for a day to decontaminate after a covid case passed through it. Every other hospital in Adelaide combined could not cover the gap in A&E capacity created by that 1 day of 1 A&E being out of action. 17 Ambulances were ramped at one time at Flinders Med centre. So contemplate what happens when covid finally takes off here in big numbers. We're going to look like Brazil. The only way into a hospital will be with bribes and grave digging will be popular. I guarantee that everyone, including the most ardent critics on this forum, will be remembering the last years worth of lockdowns with great fondness. "Hey! Remember when we were locked down, before mum died from covid because she wouldn't take the vaccine ... and we could get into hospital to have problems other than covid treated? Boy!!! Those were good times!!"
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Post by spinifex on Jul 22, 2021 9:30:33 GMT 10
On a tangent: It's like nobody has any F#cking idea about what a society needs to function anymore. Especially political leadership and departmental Chief executives.
How is it that billions of dollars are magicked into existence and handed out as subsidies to tradies, farmers, Harvey Norman and hospitality workers.
And yet ... a few more billion can never seem to be found to build and staff new hospitals to cater for constantly increasing needs or to train/hire more specialists of all kinds to provide treatment that so many people are waiting such long times to receive. (Including those with private health.)
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 9:35:04 GMT 10
Nope, the good times were when my family and I bugged out to my isolated rural retreat when covid really took off. No stupid mask mandates, no restrictions. No fascist government telling me what to do. Just us, our large supply of food, tending our crops, hunting, fishing in our river, trading with the neighbouring sheep farms. Good times.
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Post by norseman on Jul 22, 2021 9:37:33 GMT 10
Bit pathetic isn’t it. They are shitting themselves the delta variant is getting out of control. You can argue the level of risk with that but that’s why they are panicking. If you built your entire COVID model on eradication and vaccination and you cannot do either despite spending billions of dollars that is a monumental failure. If NSW loses eradication so does the rest of Australia without draconian - even compared to this - state intervention with won’t be tolerated….. I think in hindsight Boris Johnson will be seen to be right…… or maybe not! What was Boris Johnson right about? I think hindsight will demonstrate that the Australian governments at federal and state levels have failed to use the 'covid free time' bought by attempted eradication to effectively increase the capacity of the medical industry. Specifically building a number of new hospitals to deal with the New Normal.So contemplate what happens when covid finally takes off here in big numbers. We're going to look like Brazil. The only way into a hospital will be with bribes and grave digging will be popular. "I guarantee that everyone, including the most ardent critics on this forum, will be remembering the last years worth of lockdowns with great fondness. "Hey! Remember when we were locked down, before mum died from covid because she wouldn't take the vaccine ... and we could get into hospital to have problems other than covid treated? Boy!!! Those were good times!!" "That the Government idiots didn't use the time to get on top of Covid with a multi layered emegency response plan will lead to their universal condemnation (firkin useless idiots they all are). Wasn't it Scotty From Marketing who was quoted as saying “not in a race” or “this isn't a race” or words to that effect on multiple occasions? It turns out we were in a race and we lost! Better make sure you are sitting on top of the hill with Max when this fully goes down!
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Post by spinifex on Jul 22, 2021 9:45:45 GMT 10
Nope, the good times were when my family and I bugged out to my isolated rural retreat when covid really took off. No stupid mask mandates, no restrictions. No fascist government telling me what to do. Just us, our large supply of food, tending our crops, hunting, fishing in our river, trading with the neighbouring sheep farms. Good times. Remind me ... why aren't you retired and living out there doing all that stuff already?? If it's really that appealing?? Are you at your retreat right now? If not ... why not?
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 10:25:26 GMT 10
Nope, the good times were when my family and I bugged out to my isolated rural retreat when covid really took off. No stupid mask mandates, no restrictions. No fascist government telling me what to do. Just us, our large supply of food, tending our crops, hunting, fishing in our river, trading with the neighbouring sheep farms. Good times. Remind me ... why aren't you retired and living out there doing all that stuff already?? If it's really that appealing?? Are you at your retreat right now? If not ... why not? Simple really. Because now is still gravy times. I can see the ocean from my front door, and I can see the deer filled escarpment from my back door. And staying here gives me $1k a week, every week, to spend on preps. That wouldn't be possible if I was retired living on my retreat. But my second retreat (yes, I own 2 outright) is coming along, although much slower because of these stupid lockdowns. Within a couple of years I'm going to drop $1mil of my savings to turn it into an exceptional rural resort with a high level of self sufficiency. Money I have been able to put away because I didn't follow the 'you must be bugged out already' mantra. Although, looking at this from my door, perhaps I've been bugged out for decades:
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Post by rgreenw on Jul 22, 2021 11:50:21 GMT 10
The thing about masks... the reality is that masks are beneficial if they are the correct type and are worn correctly ... but that is where reality has been lost for many with COVID.
Firstly, when the Gov was telling us that masks were of no value early last year, this was because Australia was caught like many other countries with their pants down as there was a shortage of supply. Fact was that there was a scramble to get masks for front line hospital staff, to the point where whilst working for a Gov body at the time, I was directed to go throughout the organization and seize all quantities of masks, hand sanitizer and gloves for pick up by another Gov agency. The big push was social (physical) distancing and hand washing....
Later when supplies became more available, as you know the Gov on health advice did a flip and focused on supporting the wearing of masks and the use of hand sanitizer... Unfortunately, that's where the useful advice ended.
To begin with, there has been no mention about contracting the virus via the mucosal tissue of the eye. Advice around this where the virus is airborne should have also included the wearing of eye protection. As for the personal hygiene of sanitizing your hands, given that the average person touches the face (and eyes) up to 1,000 times a day, you would think that the exposure of rubbing your eyes with unsensitized hands would have been an important point of discussion...
On the matter of masks, the main priority seems to be just wearing one .... but it really needs to include advice about the minimum correct type which has also received very little guidance to the general public. Given P2/N95 respirator masks are manufactured to an Australian/International Standard, its interesting when you see everybody wearing non-standard material masks being widely worn by the general public. I can't help but wonder that if somebody in a workplace was supplied with or permitted to wear a non-standard mask and ultimately the caught the virus in that workplace, that that person would be within their rights to claim workers compensation?
But the problem is deeper with masks, when so many people don't wear masks properly with respect to fit test and use. An observation that I have made is that a lot of people have only one mask that they carry around in their pocket and aside from the COVID virus, must become the worst breeding ground for other bugs. Masks should be regularly changed and soiled masks disponed of appropriately or placed into a bag/container for sanitizing in the appropriate washing process. I wonder if every time somebody handles a soiled mask if they sanitize their hands before rubbing their eyes or touching things in the supermarket?
On the subject of the time to change your mask, I wonder if people understand that if you find that you are feeling nauseous, you can smell stuff through the mask, the mask becomes damp or it becomes stuffy/difficult to breathe through, that the mask is no longer usable....
My take on the usefulness of people wearing a mask at the moment, is that at least if people are not breathing, spitting, sneezing or coughing into the air. Its up to the individual it seems to understand the rest.
I remember a TV series called the Samurai years ago and and the used to run around with a cane basket over their head .... maybe theirs a market for them to?
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Post by bce1 on Jul 22, 2021 11:56:55 GMT 10
What I meant re Boris was his decision to accept 75-80% vaccination rates and just get on with life and essentially treat COVID as an annoyance, largely against medical advice.
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Post by norseman on Jul 22, 2021 15:44:47 GMT 10
What I meant re Boris was his decision to accept 75-80% vaccination rates and just get on with life and essentially treat COVID as an annoyance, largely against medical advice. bce1 Care to make a prediction on how you think things will turn out in the UK based on what you've experienced so far?
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Post by rgreenw on Jul 22, 2021 17:12:31 GMT 10
Not forgetting that having the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching the virus and only lessens the illness effects... I would predict that letting people loose will increase the spread dramatically and the upshot will be that there will be an increase in hospitalization of the non-vaccinated ... you may not see the increase though as the vaccinated will probably forgo the testing .... that is until the vaccine wears of and due to poor planning around booster jabs, the virus comes back and with the potential of a new strain the circle will continue!
A bit like a dog chasing its tail....
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Post by bce1 on Jul 22, 2021 19:49:36 GMT 10
What I meant re Boris was his decision to accept 75-80% vaccination rates and just get on with life and essentially treat COVID as an annoyance, largely against medical advice. bce1 Care to make a prediction on how you think things will turn out in the UK based on what you've experienced so far? After 21/2 weeks in Fiji and sitting in a hotel by myself for a week and bit so far, its fair to say I’m feeling jaded! I think numbers will go up, some young unvaccinated people will die, the UK NHS is worse than Aust or NZ so will struggle but it wont collapse, but other people needing things like cancer surgery and outpatient visits will miss out but life will go on. I also think this is where Australia will get to as well later in the year. Not so sure about NZ because I think Saint Jacinda is likely to try and keep NZ behind an iron curtain for a while yet - but it is doomed to fail. Delta is more infectious, less deadly and it kills younger people. The ABC’s media watch this week gives a nice explanation for how the internet is manipulating numbers to imply vaccination doesn’t help or might be making it worse. That is simply a lie - the vaccination is saving lives. To be frank I cannot understand how we collectively describe ourselves as preppers - yet we have turned simple common sense safety measures like masks and social distancing into some grand conspiracy. Half the things we are preparing for are statistically unlikely and we make significant efforts for independence and safety. After working in Suva I am so so angry by people who are making out this is some sort of game and “just like the flu” and some grand conspiracy can they just @#$% right off. People are dying in the pacific and Fiji from this disease - young fit healthy people. Hate the government, hate and distrust big pharma - shit I do. I hate the drug industry, I hate the government, but stop thinking you are an expert in epidemiology and infectious disease - because you are not. This is a real bloody disease that is killing people. Australia and NZ have been insulated from this and we dont know shit about COVID and what it means. A friend sent me this as a joke, but shit it is true….. Scientist. “3 yrs BSc 3 yrs PhD Join lab and start work. Spend years studying problem and possible solutions. Form hypothesis, gather evidence Test hypothesis, form conclusions Report findings, clear peer review. Findings publish in reputable journal Reported in MSM” Guy using google “That’s clearly bullshit” So many people dont understand science, don’t understand statistics or probability and buy a lotto ticket every week, and sit on the sidelines and say how shit science is. Goodnight, think I will stop the internet for the day and watch in rooms movies !! Who thought unlimited food, internet, and sleep could actually wear thin !! Just want to go home and see family.
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Post by malewithatail on Jul 22, 2021 19:59:50 GMT 10
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Post by frostbite on Jul 22, 2021 20:59:43 GMT 10
The codes of conduct for each of the registered health professions explain the public health obligations of registered health practitioners, including participating in efforts to promote the health of the community and meeting obligations on disease prevention,’ Mr Simmonds said.
‘There is no place for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice, and any promotion of anti-vaccination claims including on social media, and advertising may be subject to regulatory action.’
The above is a gag order issued by AHPRA, the body controlling the medical profession in Australia, on 9 March 2021. It is a clear threat to doctors and nurses not to speak out about any problems with covid vaccination. What are they hiding? Why can't those at the coalface speak up when they see a problem?
Behaviour like this leads to vaccine doubt by those of us still capable on independent thought.
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