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Post by norseman on Sept 4, 2021 8:10:06 GMT 10
NZ Police say they got to the bloke within 60 seconds! Well like I say when seconds count the Police are only minutes away! But credit where credit is due at least they didn't blow away any citizens while trying to take out the scum bag! We should now demand all kitchen knives be either banned and or reclassified as prohibited weapons!
"On Friday a man was shot dead by police after stabbing and injuring at least six people in an Auckland supermarket.
“This individual is very surveillance conscious and surveillance teams working with an offender over an extended period of weeks need to maintain sufficient distance for that surveillance to be effective,” New Zealand Police Commissioner Andrew Coster said. ............................errrrr mate but your surveillance op was obviously an utter failure as it allowed 6 innocent citizens to be stabbed!
“So, they were as close as they possibly could be without compromising the surveillance operation.”.........................errrrr so what was the whole point of the surveillance if this was the outcome?
NZ Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said in a media conference following the incident, the man was “closely monitored” and there was nothing to “indicate” what he was going to do at the supermarket at the exact time."
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Post by Beno on Sept 4, 2021 8:35:32 GMT 10
All it shows me is that for all the rights we have given up in the “war on terror” we get little to nothing back. the crooks still have to commit the crime before they do the time regardless of their little online fantasies.. When we do get them we let them out early on good behaviour. I’m partial to the cops blowing them away though…..case closed.
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Post by norseman on Sept 4, 2021 8:41:54 GMT 10
All it shows me is that for all the rights we have given up in the “war on terror” we get little to nothing back. I’m partial to the cops blowing them away though…..case closed. Beno Yep I agree totally mate, particularly with the above two points!
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Post by frostbite on Sept 4, 2021 9:26:00 GMT 10
Sorry Beno, but you are wrong. Thought crime is real. All you need do is think about doing the crime and the Police SF wannabes will kick your door in and lock you up on terrorism charges. Just like they did to that kid in Nowra.
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Post by bce1 on Sept 4, 2021 13:19:22 GMT 10
Rumour has it….. You currently have to stand in line to be admitted to a supermarket I. Auckland at Level 4 restrictions. Terrorist dozen people in front of his minders in the line, who while he starts committing his attack are still in the line to get in!! There are your seconds Norseman!
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Post by norseman on Sept 5, 2021 8:55:01 GMT 10
Rumour has it….. You currently have to stand in line to be admitted to a supermarket I. Auckland at Level 4 restrictions. Terrorist dozen people in front of his minders in the line, who while he starts committing his attack are still in the line to get in!! There are your seconds Norseman! bce1 So mate all that tells me is the terrorist was far smarter than the surveillance team and all their deployed human and material resources, I take no joy or comfort in this conclusion / opinion, but the simple fact is a gross act of violence has taken place under their immediate watch!
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Post by frostbite on Sept 5, 2021 9:39:10 GMT 10
It's all Jacinta Hotmouth's fault. If that spunky biatch didn't impose a lockdown every time there was a single case of covid, there would have been no queue at the supermarket, and that Islamic nutjob wouldn't have got a stabbing headstart on the cops.
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Post by Joey on Sept 5, 2021 10:05:35 GMT 10
This attacker had been under surveillance for a long time, years I think I read somewhere costing the police hundreds of thousands a year in manpower. Sounds familiar to the lindt cafe dude?
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Post by frostbite on Sept 5, 2021 10:21:05 GMT 10
This attacker had been under surveillance for a long time, years I think I read somewhere costing the police hundreds of thousands a year in manpower. Sounds familiar to the lindt cafe dude? At least the NZ cops didn't kill any hostages.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 5, 2021 15:34:40 GMT 10
So mate all that tells me is the terrorist was far smarter than the surveillance team and all their deployed human and material resources, I take no joy or comfort in this conclusion / opinion, but the simple fact is a gross act of violence has taken place under their immediate watch! What would you prefer? Police surveillance that means they can reach into citizen's personal computers and phone calls to listen to them and track their every move so that they can act instantly? They'd have access to everyone's information at all times. Bet you wouldn't like that much. So if you're not happy with them having access you have to accept the uncomfortable truth that they are only human, and only able to be in one place at a time. They have resources just like any group. Those resources can only be spent in one time and one place per resource. Faulting them for that is like railing at one plus one for equaling two. Whether you like it or not, it's simple fact. Policing doing what it can where it can with the resources it has to the best of it's ability (obviously there's times where there's gross mis-use of power, but that's not what I'm talking about) or zero policing at all and you bloody better hope that you and everyone that you love never have need of assistance of any kind. Pick one. I've never been a cop. Never will be. It'd be a hard bloody graft being the target of negative vitriol from the public on the daily just for wanting to help others. Frankly I think it'd be a shit job. I've got friends who either are or have been cops and some of the stories I've been told make even my toes curl and I'm pretty desensitized to the shitty things human beings do to each other. Put it this way. We've only just recently seen drjenner mentioning how hard it is to be slammed by people when all you want to do is help. As a medic, you're going to expect a certain amount of respect and decent human behaviour because you're a person who can help save that individual's life. Imagine if you STILL had that power as a police officer but you were told to f*&k off and go stick your nose into someone else's business... By a woman who's been beaten so severely that she can't stand upright. You know perfectly well that that woman has only said that because her partner who's the one that beat her is currently standing next to her and will probably kill her if she DOESN'T say that. You could literally save her life by removing her from the situation but she's going to spit at you and punch you and scream at you because she fears the person that is standing next to her, and she can have faith and trust that your uniform means you won't do anything to hurt her. It'd be pretty shit to be a cop. I have mad respect for people who can do it for more than five minutes and still see the good in humanity. Especially when you have people out there who say that 60 seconds isn't good enough. 60 seconds is less than half the time it takes for a kettle to boil. Give 'em SOME credit.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 5, 2021 15:58:53 GMT 10
There are only criminals because there are cops. No cops, and all the criminals would get head shot.
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Post by norseman on Sept 5, 2021 19:45:40 GMT 10
So mate all that tells me is the terrorist was far smarter than the surveillance team and all their deployed human and material resources, I take no joy or comfort in this conclusion / opinion, but the simple fact is a gross act of violence has taken place under their immediate watch! What would you prefer? Police surveillance that means they can reach into citizen's personal computers and phone calls to listen to them and track their every move so that they can act instantly? They'd have access to everyone's information at all times. Bet you wouldn't like that much. So if you're not happy with them having access you have to accept the uncomfortable truth that they are only human, and only able to be in one place at a time. They have resources just like any group. Those resources can only be spent in one time and one place per resource. Faulting them for that is like railing at one plus one for equaling two. Whether you like it or not, it's simple fact. Policing doing what it can where it can with the resources it has to the best of it's ability (obviously there's times where there's gross mis-use of power, but that's not what I'm talking about) or zero policing at all and you bloody better hope that you and everyone that you love never have need of assistance of any kind. Pick one. I've never been a cop. Never will be. It'd be a hard bloody graft being the target of negative vitriol from the public on the daily just for wanting to help others. Frankly I think it'd be a shit job. I've got friends who either are or have been cops and some of the stories I've been told make even my toes curl and I'm pretty desensitized to the shitty things human beings do to each other. Put it this way. We've only just recently seen drjenner mentioning how hard it is to be slammed by people when all you want to do is help. As a medic, you're going to expect a certain amount of respect and decent human behaviour because you're a person who can help save that individual's life. Imagine if you STILL had that power as a police officer but you were told to f*&k off and go stick your nose into someone else's business... By a woman who's been beaten so severely that she can't stand upright. You know perfectly well that that woman has only said that because her partner who's the one that beat her is currently standing next to her and will probably kill her if she DOESN'T say that. You could literally save her life by removing her from the situation but she's going to spit at you and punch you and scream at you because she fears the person that is standing next to her, and she can have faith and trust that your uniform means you won't do anything to hurt her. It'd be pretty shit to be a cop. I have mad respect for people who can do it for more than five minutes and still see the good in humanity. Especially when you have people out there who say that 60 seconds isn't good enough. 60 seconds is less than half the time it takes for a kettle to boil. Give 'em SOME credit. What would you prefer? Police surveillance that means they can reach into citizen's personal computers and phone calls to listen to them and track their every move so that they can act instantly? They'd have access to everyone's information at all times. Bet you wouldn't like that much. ..........that's happening everywhere right now! Look at the videos and media articles sprayed all over this forum if you need a little hint! There are members here that have been subject to surveillance both physical and electronic and not one of them has a criminal record! If he was such a huge identified risk he should've been taken out of society a long time ago! It's that simple! Far less dangerous individuals are locked up all the time in Australia and New Zealand for simply opening their mouths!!
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Post by Stealth on Sept 6, 2021 9:34:22 GMT 10
You've missed my point.
You complained that they weren't there fast enough. Being there faster would have involved a level of individual policing that would make China look like a free and easy democracy. Lets just remember that police are only human. If you expect super human behaviour out of them simply because they wear a uniform you're flat out being unreasonable.
You can't arrest someone before they've done something illegal. Well, you could. If you were in China. Thankfully we are not. Taking him out required him doing something that broke the law. He broke the law, they got him. In 60 seconds. I can't say I can think of any better outcome without having arrested him before he did something. Again. Not China. If you want them to do any better\ you have to be ok with people being arrested and taken off the streets for even saying something inflammatory.
I can't imagine you'd have the freedom to complain about a 60 second delay. Well perhaps you would, but you'd already have been locked up AGES ago for your comments about policing and government bodies on this forum alone 🤣😏.
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Post by norseman on Sept 6, 2021 9:59:56 GMT 10
You've missed my point. You complained that they weren't there fast enough. Being there faster would have involved a level of individual policing that would make China look like a free and easy democracy. Lets just remember that police are only human. If you expect super human behaviour out of them simply because they wear a uniform you're flat out being unreasonable. You can't arrest someone before they've done something illegal. Well, you could. If you were in China. Thankfully we are not. Taking him out required him doing something that broke the law. He broke the law, they got him. In 60 seconds. I can't say I can think of any better outcome without having arrested him before he did something. Again. Not China. If you want them to do any better\ you have to be ok with people being arrested and taken off the streets for even saying something inflammatory. I can't imagine you'd have the freedom to complain about a 60 second delay. Well perhaps you would, but you'd already have been locked up AGES ago for your comments about policing and government bodies on this forum alone 🤣😏. Some facts about this bloke:- The perpetrator of Friday's terrorist attack at an Auckland supermarket was under 24-hour surveillance and had recently been in prison for other terrorism-related offences.
But as the judge noted, he could not be detained because the planning of a terror attack is not an offence under current laws. Officials had tried to justify detaining Samsudeen in jail until his asylum case was resolved but there were no legal grounds for doing so. Instead, 30 officers watched him around the clock for more than 50 days before he grabbed a knife from a supermarket shelf and attacked shoppers, metres away from the undercover police surveilling him.Authorities had known Samsudeen wanted to commit a terrorist attack, but planning one is not a crime in New Zealand. Ardern said her government had asked the passage of a controversial new antiterrorism law to be sped up on the same day Friday’s mass stabbing took place, and she hoped it will pass by the end of the month. By 2020, he had already been detained for three years. He was found guilty of the charges for IS propaganda, and sentenced in July 2021 to a year’s supervision, with a series of conditions that restricted him from internet devices. As much a failure of the Law strategically as it was tactically!
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 6, 2021 16:45:37 GMT 10
Scum like that need to be permanently removed from the gene pool.
Whatdoya mean "no funds", Ive still got cheques left !
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