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Post by Beno on Sept 7, 2021 18:25:47 GMT 10
Is it time for baristas, fashion retailers and generally useless industries and enterprises to pick up a tool and start producing “things” that the country will need? I'm sure latte Lenny will survive on instant,
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Post by Beno on Sept 7, 2021 18:29:06 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Sept 7, 2021 18:30:25 GMT 10
Australia was close to industrial self sufficiency upto the early 80's. After a huge effort to develop it in the aftermath of ww2.
Now ... we don't have a single factory that can manufacture a rubber tyre. Or a car engine block.
When our global supply chains atrophy ... and they ARE already ... we're going to all experience a new way of life !!! An austere one!
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Post by malewithatail on Sept 7, 2021 19:09:48 GMT 10
All the more reason to learn how to do it all yourself. Learn. Cat, what cat
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Post by spatial on Sept 7, 2021 19:11:32 GMT 10
Similar with food production, the world is living on last year production, and now all over a mess, drought, fire, flood, workforce shortage, supply chain failures. Like with economy it is never a gradual decline, it hits a brick wall, panic buying then food riots.
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Post by bce1 on Sept 7, 2021 19:22:46 GMT 10
Im sure Ive said this before.... And medicines....... almost zero local production from raw ingredients. Some "mixing" and packaging in .AU but minimal production. Very little ability to ramp up. India and China significantly reduced drug exports. There are already shortages, its going to get worse. Except opiates.... Tasmania the biggest legal producer of opium in the world. So you can die of other things in comfort !
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Post by milspec on Sept 7, 2021 19:44:59 GMT 10
Anyone feel like a frog in a nice hot bath?
Its a good time to be growing your own food and having the means to preserve it.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 7, 2021 19:50:56 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Sept 8, 2021 5:26:16 GMT 10
Lets see how that goes next year with a compromised supply of Urea. Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages?
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Post by Beno on Sept 8, 2021 6:59:45 GMT 10
They have to harvest it first and WA supercrop is in strife. Mice are still at play over east reducing quality and quantity. But it’s the big croppers in other countries with much lower yield. hopefully our farmers can take advantage of this without ripping us off at the bakery. harvest labour shortage
Mcgowan is pi$$y cause he can’t bring in foreign labour yet his hard border is excluding critical workers. what a drongo. Brazil has just had a mad cow disease outbreak impacting many buyers like china and vietnam. Build your resilience. If you haven’t started, start small and build up from there.
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Post by norseman on Sept 8, 2021 8:02:23 GMT 10
Lets see how that goes next year with a compromised supply of Urea. Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages? Prolonged warehouse storage, delayed distribution times and inefficient logistics are also major factors in poor food quality! I had a seasonal job when I left school driving forklifts at Flemington Markets distributing to Coles all over NSW and ACT we stored fresh harvested cabbages and apples for months in Cold Storage before sending them out to the stores.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 8, 2021 8:08:18 GMT 10
Similar with food production, the world is living on last year production, and now all over a mess, drought, fire, flood, workforce shortage, supply chain failures. Like with economy it is never a gradual decline, it hits a brick wall, panic buying then food riots. Correct. There have been Nitrogen fertiliser shortages and fungicide shortages for farmers in South Australia (no-doubt Australia wide). These are sourced out of China. Our crop productivity will be lower than it otherwise could be this year ... due to supply chain disruption.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 8, 2021 8:15:57 GMT 10
Lets see how that goes next year with a compromised supply of Urea. Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages? Fruit/veg quality can be drastically affected by soil moisture and nutrient applications. As growers are faced with conditions of too much rain and lack of ferts (or lack of the right kinds of ferts) plant quality is severely compromised at a cellular level. Then theres harvest timing - covid creating farm labour shortages means many crops are likely being harvested late - which reduces shelf life massively. Ontop of that ... with lockdowns ... lord knows what pace the post harvest supply chain is running at !!! A crop suffering poor nutrition, harvested late and spending twice as long in transit to retail is going to be sh!tty. Welcome to the future! Never been a better time to grow your own fruit and veg!!
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Post by spinifex on Sept 8, 2021 8:21:47 GMT 10
I am hesitant to believe any report stating anything above average ... because I'm involved in the industry and know what the real state of play is. South Australias July statewide Crop and Livestock report was a real head scratcher too ... official Govt reports not matching reality. Now THAT is an issue worth heaping scorn on Governments for!!
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Post by spatial on Sept 8, 2021 10:08:50 GMT 10
Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages? How fruit and veg are dealt with by retailers is on one of my trigger points. A few years back I was working out in Cobar NSW and veg and fruit would go off while still in the shop. There was an investigation launched and I spoke to the Shire council health and environmental officer. What was happening is the fruit and veg were transported from a warehouse in Sydney then delivered to Orange across to Dubbo and then Cobar and all towns in between. Prior to leaving the warehouse the fruit and veg is sprayed with a chemical (ethene) to ripen it so by the time it gets to end of transport the fruit is overripe. Also bananas give off a chemical that accelerates ripening and should be stored separately from other veg and fruit, which the transporters don’t do. Veg and fruit is stored for many months prior to getting to shop shelves. As an example 2y back a big retailer was advertising fresh apples coming into season from TAS. The TAS farmers put up a stink saying the apples have not even ripened yet. They were storing apples for 12 months then putting them out for sale. How apples are kept crisp and crunchy up to a year after being pickedwww.abc.net.au/news/science/2018-07-17/apple-storage-how-kept-crisp-and-crunchy-explained/9997870Bananas and ethene gaswww.bbc.com/news/uk-39998241
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Post by spatial on Sept 8, 2021 15:39:44 GMT 10
Lets see how that goes next year with a compromised supply of Urea. Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages? World's Largest Nitrogen Plant Declares "Force Majeure," Sends Fertilizer Prices Sky Highwww.zerohedge.com/commodities/worlds-largest-nitrogen-plant-declares-force-majeure-sends-fertilizer-price-sky-highSpot prices for nitrogen fertilizer on the US Gulf Coast skyrocketed to a near-decade high on a report the world's largest nitrogen manufacturing plant declared force majeure. CF Industries Holdings Inc. in Donaldsonville, Louisiana, closed its massive complex ahead of Hurricane Ida. The complex has 19 plants, including six ammonia and five urea facilities, producing nitrogen-based products for agricultural and industrial markets.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 8, 2021 18:56:54 GMT 10
Is it time for baristas, fashion retailers and generally useless industries and enterprises to pick up a tool and start producing “things” that the country will need? I'm sure latte Lenny will survive on instant, First of all, how dare you sir. Good baristas and their produce is all that keeps me from going postal and murdering every entitled git that I come across!🤣 Instant is for when I need to be angry. Lattes are a last resort to bring me back down from my free-poured-straight-from-the-jar instant black coffee rampages at work. I was watching a tiktok yesterday about a guy in an upmarket holiday town in the US. I can't remember exactly where it was, but he was basically saying that the stores there are only open between very specific hours or only a couple of days a week because they can't get anyone to work there. They pay so little that no one could afford to take a service job there and live there themselves. And rich-ass mofos flat out wouldn't work for that little money. So no one to serve means no economy and no one to run the stores/accommodation. The town is on the brink of closing down entirely but no one will take responsibility for the fact that the people that would work there need to be paid enough to LIVE there. Seems like a very apt story for something that could happen here if we're not careful. We can't be paying $4 per day to farm hands or pickers. Farmers have gotten away with it before because of students on working visas and the like. But that's not happening anymore (as proven by all the crops rotting in fields). In fairness, some farmers have had no choice and have had to do that to cover their costs and make a wage because big box stores refuse to pay a decent amount for produce. But the multimillionaire farms that produce massive amounts of our daily bread have literally made it into a business practice, and it's disgusting. As a country, we've let massive businesses take advantage of the migrant working groups or the under-educated for decades. The second their cheap cash cow workers disappear they're in the poo. And it's already been felt. I think we need a primary produce overhaul asap. How does that happen? I dunno. I'm not an economist. But I hope they figure it out soon cause the sun is going down on cheap Chinese plastic.
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Post by Beno on Sept 8, 2021 19:54:46 GMT 10
Is it time for baristas, fashion retailers and generally useless industries and enterprises to pick up a tool and start producing “things” that the country will need? I'm sure latte Lenny will survive on instant, First of all, how dare you sir. Good baristas and their produce is all that keeps me from going postal and murdering every entitled git that I come across!🤣 Instant is for when I need to be angry. Lattes are a last resort to bring me back down from my free-poured-straight-from-the-jar instant black coffee rampages at work. I was watching a tiktok yesterday about a guy in an upmarket holiday town in the US. I can't remember exactly where it was, but he was basically saying that the stores there are only open between very specific hours or only a couple of days a week because they can't get anyone to work there. They pay so little that no one could afford to take a service job there and live there themselves. And rich-ass mofos flat out wouldn't work for that little money. So no one to serve means no economy and no one to run the stores/accommodation. The town is on the brink of closing down entirely but no one will take responsibility for the fact that the people that would work there need to be paid enough to LIVE there. Seems like a very apt story for something that could happen here if we're not careful. We can't be paying $4 per day to farm hands or pickers. Farmers have gotten away with it before because of students on working visas and the like. But that's not happening anymore (as proven by all the crops rotting in fields). In fairness, some farmers have had no choice and have had to do that to cover their costs and make a wage because big box stores refuse to pay a decent amount for produce. But the multimillionaire farms that produce massive amounts of our daily bread have literally made it into a business practice, and it's disgusting. As a country, we've let massive businesses take advantage of the migrant working groups or the under-educated for decades. The second their cheap cash cow workers disappear they're in the poo. And it's already been felt. I think we need a primary produce overhaul asap. How does that happen? I dunno. I'm not an economist. But I hope they figure it out soon cause the sun is going down on cheap Chinese plastic. Lol! Love it! let’s get angry while drinkin instant because we need to make things like vehicles, tyres, fuels, appliances, wire, clothing, fertilisers and list is now endless. Ol’ man bun matthew can be retrained, make more money and have a feeling of real accomplishment. Producing stuff is manna for most blokes and probably ladies too. Service industries are so 2019.
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Post by dirtdiva on Sept 9, 2021 0:07:51 GMT 10
Lets see how that goes next year with a compromised supply of Urea. Also (to no one in particular) if we have such great food production why is it that store bought vegetables turn yello/rot/go limp within 72hrs of purchase ... including those veggies that ought to last for ages? World's Largest Nitrogen Plant Declares "Force Majeure," Sends Fertilizer Prices Sky Highwww.zerohedge.com/commodities/worlds-largest-nitrogen-plant-declares-force-majeure-sends-fertilizer-price-sky-highSpot prices for nitrogen fertilizer on the US Gulf Coast skyrocketed to a near-decade high on a report the world's largest nitrogen manufacturing plant declared force majeure. CF Industries Holdings Inc. in Donaldsonville, Louisiana, closed its massive complex ahead of Hurricane Ida. The complex has 19 plants, including six ammonia and five urea facilities, producing nitrogen-based products for agricultural and industrial markets. There was a problem long before Hurricane Ida! My daughter and son in law own a large crop spraying business in the Midwest U.S. and have struggled all year getting chemicals/fertilizers etc. In some instances it is a shortage of the chemicals themselves but in some instances it is the manufacturer being unable to get containers/drums/ and lids to hold them. In order to ship out these chemicals they have to be in very specific containers and lids to protect from spillage. On a retail level I think I have mentioned several times that fertilizers/insecticides/fungicides etc for home gardeners have just about disappeared from the retail shelves with prices skyrocketing. If you intend to garden I strongly suggest including some of these items in your garden preps and sooner rather than later as prices continue to increase. And they most certainly will. Looking for a barter item this may be it.
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