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Post by bushdoc2 on Sept 10, 2021 21:02:18 GMT 10
Im sure Ive said this before.... And medicines....... almost zero local production from raw ingredients. Some "mixing" and packaging in .AU but minimal production. Very little ability to ramp up. India and China significantly reduced drug exports. There are already shortages, its going to get worse. Except opiates.... Tasmania the biggest legal producer of opium in the world. So you can die of other things in comfort ! And not generics. Stock up on real meds (or at least a tried and tested generic).
Generics have to have a certain level of active meds in them, but don't have to prove that their specific recipe works (it is just assumed it does).
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 11, 2021 0:38:12 GMT 10
Im sure Ive said this before.... And medicines....... almost zero local production from raw ingredients. Some "mixing" and packaging in .AU but minimal production. Very little ability to ramp up. India and China significantly reduced drug exports. There are already shortages, its going to get worse. Except opiates.... Tasmania the biggest legal producer of opium in the world. So you can die of other things in comfort ! And not generics. Stock up on real meds (or at least a tried and tested generic).
Generics have to have a certain level of active meds in them, but don't have to prove that their specific recipe works (it is just assumed it does).
So when you have a script and the pharmacist offers you a cheaper brand, are you saying that generally you should refuse that? And the super cheap paracetamol and ibuprofen from the supermarket - is that not as good as, say, panadol brand and neurofen brand?
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Post by norseman on Sept 11, 2021 8:10:54 GMT 10
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Post by spinifex on Sept 11, 2021 8:40:30 GMT 10
Yep.
Time to do a bit of reading and talk to people who went through the fall of communism in eastern europe and russia. The real world productive economy is caving in while the 'financial' economy has been inflated to gargantuan proportions.
Problems in The real world economy has real world consequences. The financial economy problems normally do too ... but the 'hit print & spend' solution adopted by central banks and governments have papered over the immediate consequences. The 'hit print & spend' option has infact driven housing to record high prices despite a productive economy (where the income to repay debts must come from) in major decline.
When the failures are no longer concealable ... what happens next? This is well worth considering as a prepper. The fundamental purpose of socio economic systems is to keep rich/powerful being rich and powerful during and after upheaval. If we figure out how that will be done ... we can better position ourselves to benefit.
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Post by bce1 on Sept 11, 2021 9:21:22 GMT 10
So when you have a script and the pharmacist offers you a cheaper brand, are you saying that generally you should refuse that? And the super cheap paracetamol and ibuprofen from the supermarket - is that not as good as, say, panadol brand and neurofen brand? The problem is that you don't know 100% - most generics are made in china or India. Most name brands are made in in the EU or US. Now that's a generalisation, but the broad principles are right. All generics are well tested before they are allowed on the market, and it is fair to say that when a generic hits the market in Australia it is likely to be very similar to name brand on the market. The issue is do you trust the ongoing supply lines and quality assurance for stuff manufactured in China or India? Even big electronic suppliers bin a not insignificant portion of manufactured products from the same areas because they aren't upto standard. There are spot checks, but there is not a batch by batch independent QA. It is a let the buyer beware situation. To be fair 99% of the time they are fine - but every doctor in Australia will have cases of switching patients to generics and seeing a deterioration.
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Post by spatial on Sept 11, 2021 14:52:53 GMT 10
Had a problem getting spares for lawn mower, will try next week again..
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Post by Beno on Sept 11, 2021 14:56:44 GMT 10
So when you have a script and the pharmacist offers you a cheaper brand, are you saying that generally you should refuse that? And the super cheap paracetamol and ibuprofen from the supermarket - is that not as good as, say, panadol brand and neurofen brand? The problem is that you don't know 100% - most generics are made in china or India. Most name brands are made in in the EU or US. Now that's a generalisation, but the broad principles are right. All generics are well tested before they are allowed on the market, and it is fair to say that when a generic hits the market in Australia it is likely to be very similar to name brand on the market. The issue is do you trust the ongoing supply lines and quality assurance for stuff manufactured in China or India? Even big electronic suppliers bin a not insignificant portion of manufactured products from the same areas because they aren't upto standard. There are spot checks, but there is not a batch by batch independent QA. It is a let the buyer beware situation. To be fair 99% of the time they are fine - but every doctor in Australia will have cases of switching patients to generics and seeing a deterioration. Far out!
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Post by bushdoc2 on Sept 12, 2021 16:07:00 GMT 10
I was going to reply, but BCE1 said it well. SOMETIMES we get cases where generic doesn't seem to work (having already used brand name good), then they go to the brand name and it does.
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 12, 2021 16:16:27 GMT 10
In Sth Aus, the new plan is to only let truck drivers in who have had the covid jabs - expecting more shortages and delays getting not just food, but general goods as well.
Watch this space!
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Post by spatial on Sept 12, 2021 16:57:11 GMT 10
In Sth Aus, the new plan is to only let truck drivers in who have had the covid jabs - expecting more shortages and delays getting not just food, but general goods as well. Watch this space! A fried of mine is in transport, told has to get the jab, but only appointment he can get is late October.
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 12, 2021 22:51:31 GMT 10
So when you have a script and the pharmacist offers you a cheaper brand, are you saying that generally you should refuse that? And the super cheap paracetamol and ibuprofen from the supermarket - is that not as good as, say, panadol brand and neurofen brand? The problem is that you don't know 100% - most generics are made in china or India. Most name brands are made in in the EU or US. Now that's a generalisation, but the broad principles are right. All generics are well tested before they are allowed on the market, and it is fair to say that when a generic hits the market in Australia it is likely to be very similar to name brand on the market. The issue is do you trust the ongoing supply lines and quality assurance for stuff manufactured in China or India? Even big electronic suppliers bin a not insignificant portion of manufactured products from the same areas because they aren't upto standard. There are spot checks, but there is not a batch by batch independent QA. It is a let the buyer beware situation. To be fair 99% of the time they are fine - but every doctor in Australia will have cases of switching patients to generics and seeing a deterioration. Thanks for your thoughts
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 16, 2021 18:02:03 GMT 10
In Sth Aus, the new plan is to only let truck drivers in who have had the covid jabs - expecting more shortages and delays getting not just food, but general goods as well. Watch this space! A fried of mine is in transport, told has to get the jab, but only appointment he can get is late October. I have to get it for work and was told I’d be given priority. Problem is there’s nowhere when you book to say you’re a priority group! I booked anyway - initially for dec, then each day checked again and was able to move it closer by a week, then another week, then a month. Then this week the surgery contacted me to see if I wanted to go ahead this Sat! So - for your friend who can’t get an early appt - book anyway. If places get more doses they bring later bookings closer.
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Post by spatial on Sept 25, 2021 20:42:41 GMT 10
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Post by spatial on Sept 26, 2021 5:52:25 GMT 10
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Post by drjenner on Sept 27, 2021 12:01:45 GMT 10
Went to Seattle this weekend and relative who is an executive for Nintendo said the talk all over is about the ships sitting in port and can't off load goods - causing huge disruption in their supply chains. We went to a car dealer as well just to browse - only one new car in stock, the rest used, and not much there. Prices had skyrocketed.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 27, 2021 14:41:21 GMT 10
Similar here, DJ. We've heard news that on the West coast it's almost impossible to get a 4 Wheel drive, and if you can you're paying exorbitant amounts of cash for it.
There's definitely talk of port clogging causing shipping disruptions here. Plenty of ships apparently off coast, but no one to load or unload. Most of 'em are just hanging out waiting for a solution and it doesn't seem any are forthcoming. Massive island nation that we are, there's no options beyond airlift here to get products and parts over here. Obviously air freight costs far more because while it's faster it's just straight up more expensive and less cargo per trip.
That's why so many are starting to get anxious about our lack of manufacturing and primary produce here. With maritime shipping spudding in we're at a real supply risk. We're already seeing a reduced amount of stock for certain things. Computer parts, cars, bike parts. All things that aren't produced here and are having knock-on effects into other industries.
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Post by norseman on Sept 27, 2021 14:55:15 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Sept 27, 2021 15:37:27 GMT 10
Wharfie scum at it again.
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Post by norseman on Sept 27, 2021 16:01:34 GMT 10
Wharfie scum at it again. What rolling wharfie strikes will mean for your Christmaswww.2gb.com/what-rolling-wharfie-strikes-will-mean-for-your-christmas/Industrial action on our ports this October are threatening months of delays for everything from electronics to food. Hundreds of wharfies will strike for 12 hours every Monday, Wednesday and Friday in October, believed to be seeking increased union control over manning levels and hiring. It comes after at least a year and a half of discussions between stevedore companies and their workers. Ports Australia CEO Mike Gallacher told Joe Hildebrand the strikes will provide an economic challenge for Australia in the lead up to Christmas. “There is absolutely no doubt, Joe, that at a time where we have been struggling as a nation … with the amount of demand that has gone through the roof during COVID, … this is going to have a significant knock-on effect to retail.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 27, 2021 16:44:24 GMT 10
Wharfie scum, or management scum trying to wring every last cent of profit out of their workforce?
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