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Post by bug on Apr 26, 2022 13:11:55 GMT 10
The average bloke on the street is seriously gullible! Right or wrong the Russians will come out on top with all this! Putin and his Generals haven't even started yet! The MSM are doing us no favours with the over the top Ukraine is winning narrative! Correct. Short of a full NATO intervention, Russia is going to win this. Just arming Ukraine isn't going to stop them. The aim seems more to 'bleed' Russia by using Ukranian people, whilst trying to appear as the good guys who are helping. We are not helping Ukraine, all we are doing is delaying the inevitable and increasing the death toll. |
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Post by Beno on Apr 26, 2022 16:42:45 GMT 10
It is a weird war. i saw on msm a few weeks ago that a school was being used to manufacture plate carriers and other kit. It was all roses and love hearts for the ukranians. A week later i saw the ruskis had targeted a school which was probably not the same one and msm conveyed the hatred very well. I was left confused.
I still think if we bleed russia enough we win’t have to worry about that flank once we start to jiggy with China.
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Post by malewithatail on Apr 26, 2022 17:53:33 GMT 10
Al that's needed to stop this mad war is for Ukraine to say that they wont join NATO, and wont have NATO weapons on their soil. Game over. This is basically what they promised some years ago and seem to have reneged on it with their wish to join NATO.
The other alternative is for Trump to win election and bang a couple of heads together and tell them to pull their horns in.
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Post by spatial on Apr 27, 2022 18:10:23 GMT 10
Al that's needed to stop this mad war is for Ukraine to say that they wont join NATO, and wont have NATO weapons on their soil. Game over. This is basically what they promised some years ago and seem to have reneged on it with their wish to join NATO.
The other alternative is for Trump to win election and bang a couple of heads together and tell them to pull their horns in. I have a very different take. Go to church with a family from Belarus, speaks Russian has family in Russia and Ukraine. His take is that Ukraine was becoming free and westonised, itvwas starting to impact Belarus and neighbouring towns. Belarus had an uprising demanding freedom, politically and economically. The Russians stepped in and quelled the riots. Rusing now telling their citizens that Ukraine is a natzi nation and a threat to Russia, they still have a WW2 mentality and support the Russian gov. The guy from Belarus living in Aus phones people from Russia to explain what is going on, they refuse to listen to him and only accept what they hear on Russian TV. Many of the countries bordering Russia are applying for NATO acceptance. NATO wants the war to last for many years and bankrupt Russia, no desire to end war quickly. They just give Ukraine minimal arms to keep Russia busy, and when Russia looks like getting the upper hand they blow up ships and attack targets within Russia. |
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Post by bug on Apr 28, 2022 11:37:11 GMT 10
Al that's needed to stop this mad war is for Ukraine to say that they wont join NATO, and wont have NATO weapons on their soil. Game over. This is basically what they promised some years ago and seem to have reneged on it with their wish to join NATO.
The other alternative is for Trump to win election and bang a couple of heads together and tell them to pull their horns in.
You know you own an old tractor when.....You can trace the entire electrical circuit out from several meters away. Ukraine is an independent nation and can join whatever it wants. Russia needs to remember that the USSR does not exist any more. Russia Vs NATO does not need to exist. It's muppets like Poutine that are keeping this going. Given that short of creating a WWIII nuclear winter, Russia has no hope against NATO, regardless of how many satellite states it has. So whether they are NATO or not is largely irrelevant. Russia could do what Poland and Hungary have done, in joining Europe, but retaining their own culture and values. They'd be far better off. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Apr 30, 2022 21:00:50 GMT 10
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Post by bug on May 1, 2022 12:31:33 GMT 10
Q&A kicked out a guy for asking questions about that stuff. Whilst "hey look nastys!" is all too often used by communists to demonise a group that they want to attack, both sides in any conflict must be examined.
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Post by SA Hunter on May 1, 2022 21:55:22 GMT 10
Ukraine on Fire (2016), Full Documentary
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Post by blueshoes on May 2, 2022 17:09:40 GMT 10
NATO wants the war to last for many years and bankrupt Russia, no desire to end war quickly. They just give Ukraine minimal arms to keep Russia busy, and when Russia looks like getting the upper hand they blow up ships and attack targets within Russia. meanwhile, the Australian Financial Review seems to think the Russian Military establishment is pushing to just 'get on with it' ... [paywalled] Armed forces pile pressure on Putin to unleash full might |
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Post by ausprep130 on May 2, 2022 17:32:54 GMT 10
NATO wants the war to last for many years and bankrupt Russia, no desire to end war quickly. They just give Ukraine minimal arms to keep Russia busy, and when Russia looks like getting the upper hand they blow up ships and attack targets within Russia. meanwhile, the Australian Financial Review seems to think the Russian Military establishment is pushing to just 'get on with it' ... [paywalled] Armed forces pile pressure on Putin to unleash full mightyou can get around paywall using wayback machine |
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Post by bug on May 2, 2022 17:44:45 GMT 10
From the Russian side, it's obvious that's what they need to do. Pretending they weren't going to invade, then only bringing a week's supplies for a small portion of their army clearly has not worked.
Ukraine has embarassed them. Dictators don't do well after being embarassed.
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Post by SA Hunter on May 12, 2022 10:01:16 GMT 10
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Post by ausprep130 on May 13, 2022 7:28:09 GMT 10
From the Russian side, it's obvious that's what they need to do. Pretending they weren't going to invade, then only bringing a week's supplies for a small portion of their army clearly has not worked. Ukraine has embarrassed them. Dictators don't do well after being embarrassed. Whilst I agree there may have been a misguided belief they could roll in and take over with little opposition, I also think there is a long game at play. The longer the war takes, the more money spent by NATO and other western allies, the more impact it has on the US and other western economies. The more hardship felt by 'the people' in those countries the more likelihood of civil unrest and possibly revolution. I think the 'new world order' that is talked about is not so much about Russia or China being the dominant super power dictating to the rest of the world, but more about reducing the influence the US has over so many countries AND removing the elite/super rich/big business from power/control of western so called 'democracies'. eg: in the USA, big business lobby tell the govt what laws to make. In China, the govt make the laws and big business abide by them or suffer the consequences no matter how rich they are. |
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Post by malewithatail on May 13, 2022 9:06:49 GMT 10
Perhaps its all part of the plan to bleed the west dry, then bring in the NWEO?
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Post by Beno on May 13, 2022 10:18:31 GMT 10
I guess the best thing is that it is Russia that is being bled. NATO is having a surprise popcorn fest. I wanna adopt a Ukrainian 😁
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Post by frostbite on May 17, 2022 18:42:54 GMT 10
In the latest example of Newspeak being promulgated by the media whores of the global elite, tonight they announced that the brave heroes of the Azov Battalion have been evacuated from Mariupol to a Russian controlled facility.
In Realspeak that means the remaining fighters surrendered to Russian forces and have been taken prisoner.
Do they really think we are that stupid?
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Post by ausprep130 on May 17, 2022 18:58:23 GMT 10
In the latest example of Newspeak being promulgated by the media whores of the global elite, tonight they announced that the brave heroes of the Azov Battalion have been evacuated from Mariupol to a Russian controlled facility. In Realspeak that means the remaining fighters surrendered to Russian forces and have been taken prisoner. Do they really think we are that stupid? They know the bulk of the viewers will believe whatever they broadcast. And those that don't are branded as extremist nutters. Kind of like the old line "you're a smart guy, you know . . (insert con) . ." Many fall for this con line because they don't want to seem stupid even though they normally would not agree with the statement. |
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Post by norseman on May 25, 2022 6:02:45 GMT 10
Now this is the shit I've been talking about!  www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/the-moment-putin-s-ticking-time-bomb-of-failure-could-explode/ar-AAXEYbx?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=583e73f560b440bbbb697588dc9fa95b“No one ever lost a war because they ran out of ammunition. If he can't build it, he'll buy it somewhere,” Marks said. “There’s a sufficient amount of oil money still.” "And yet, it’s not clear how long Putins forces will last, and given that Putin has experienced so many losses already, the war might be headed into a longer-term phase of war in which Putin has his sights set on inflicting more pain on Ukrainians than he already has, Marks said. In a sign that Putin is likely to dig in and try to make Ukrainians bleed, Russia has already started bringing in barrel bomb experts from Syria that could help the Russian military inflict much more damage on civilians, according to a Guardian report."“When you're not winning—and they're not—the one thing that you’re going to do is inflict pain,” Marks told The Daily Beast, referring to the barrel bombs. “It's a way of sort of ramping up a level and also terrorizing the population.”This is when Putin becomes really dangerous! |
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Post by frostbite on May 25, 2022 11:56:28 GMT 10
Imagine if Ukraine started targetting Russian cities.
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