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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 13, 2016 18:00:48 GMT 10
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Post by shinester on Nov 14, 2016 2:52:22 GMT 10
Interesting figures on start current! I had thought it was only double the rating until now. Fridge compressor motors aren't very big and I would imagine that you'd be tripping fuses if you were going over 2400W [10Amps] regularly. I think if your gen/inverter [sine wave for motors!] can handle or be near that kind of wattage you'd be fine.
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 14, 2016 6:14:14 GMT 10
I do want an inverter generator, don't I?
Looking at "quiet" 2000W inverter generators
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Post by graynomad on Nov 14, 2016 6:41:23 GMT 10
... Actually one to run a welder off would be handy also. ... For welding (MIG, I don't do stick) you pretty much need about 7.5KVA (6000W), preferably a two-pot motor as that can handle the current hit better when you strike the arc. That said many people use single-pot motors and they seem to work but I have a mate with one and he wishes he had bought a two-pot version as it gags for a second when he strikes the arc. I got this 2nd hand for $1300 and it does the job easy. I only have a 150A MIG though and it's never been cranked right up because I work with thin material. One issue though is that this is WAY overkill for charging batteries, running fridges etc. Which IMO is why you need two gennies, one for heavy work and another for light work. In the past I have done light MIG welding from my 3300W inverter so that's an option for emergencies, and I also have a 24-volt MIG that I use when in the bush with the FWD. So if you only need to weld occasionally there are other options, but if you (like me) are always building stuff then you need a decent size gennie.
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 14, 2016 6:49:29 GMT 10
I don't have one yet but I'm looking at small arc welders if that changes it
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Post by token on Nov 14, 2016 8:29:17 GMT 10
If you get a welder, whatever you do, make sure its continuous, that is has a solid duty cycle or dont bother.
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 14, 2016 9:07:49 GMT 10
Yeh saw one cheap one, got interested, found out it had 15% duty cycle... no thanks
I'm apparently getting one free, when my colleague picks it up from his shed at his other property. Not sure what it is, but I'm sure it'll get me started and learning.
Then once I know what I like and what works well, and have a bit more spare coin, then I'll find one that fits the bill
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Post by token on Nov 14, 2016 10:57:02 GMT 10
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 14, 2016 11:00:20 GMT 10
I'm arc welding to start with
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Post by token on Nov 14, 2016 11:14:27 GMT 10
my unit does stick as well mate
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Post by starmade on Nov 15, 2016 20:31:24 GMT 10
It's all high tech! What setups! We loose power all the time, sometimes for a week as well. No generator, no gas. Just a wood fired kitchen stove and cast iron BBQ on the back verandah. We do have mains we can switch to but hardly ever do. Our 5000l water tank gets constantly replenished as all the down pipes are connected, even dewy mornings add a bit to the level. I buy a whole tray of beeswax and have spools of cotton wick, never run out of candles just make some more when we run low. We only have two bar fridges, as we don't store by freezing. Used to have a electrical bread maker and a grain mill both gifts we loved the home made breads. As the way of electrical appliances both are dead. So we are in the process of buying a hand grain mill, can also be run with a bike or a motor. I like the idea of being able to mill different types of grain/ nuts for breads of all sorts. Grain is easier to store than flour retains nutrients better and can be used as seed. I'm going to throw around some and see how I go instead of grass in patches. Don't do rice much only stored a little, I guess because I would not be able to grow it, so it's just to pad out the in between harvests. In fact we rather enjoy the power outages, a bottle of red helps😇
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Post by Ammo9 on Nov 15, 2016 20:34:31 GMT 10
I rent, so there is limitations on what's possible for me.
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Post by graynomad on Nov 16, 2016 7:41:33 GMT 10
... So we are in the process of buying a hand grain mill, can also be run with a bike or a motor. ... I would think you are aware of the Wondermill but just in case. www.juicersaustralia.com.au/Wonder-Mill-Junior-Deluxe-Grain-Mill.shtml#DrillBitAttachmentWe currently use it manually but I will soon mechanize it as they sell a pulley accessory for that. As for power outages, we had several the other day with the storms, but we didn't even know until a neighbour told us
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Post by starmade on Nov 16, 2016 11:27:21 GMT 10
Thanks Graynomad, how is the hand turning without a fly wheel? We are tossing up between the diamante and the grain maker. The first one is a cast iron body the other steel. If anyone knows if cast iron can be repaired if cracked? Please reply We went for the heavier ones for the flour quality. I've used hand mills before they were the smaller clap to table ones. I found a lot of my energy went to twisting the clap, moving the table. This time I've got a dedicated table with a thick timber top to screw to. It will be heavy but if we have to walk out we would not take the smaller one anyway. So guess it would be drenched in grease contained and buried😬
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Post by graynomad on Nov 16, 2016 16:46:20 GMT 10
Thanks Graynomad, how is the hand turning without a fly wheel? ... It's a good workout I don't mind but the novelty is wearing off that's for sure. As there's no reason to believe we will ever be without power maybe I should buy an electric mill and leave this for a backup.
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Post by starmade on Nov 16, 2016 19:52:06 GMT 10
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Post by starmade on Nov 16, 2016 19:53:33 GMT 10
and this one very nice setup - converts to motor
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Post by shinester on Nov 16, 2016 22:04:18 GMT 10
Thanks Graynomad, how is the hand turning without a fly wheel? ... It's a good workout I don't mind but the novelty is wearing off that's for sure. As there's no reason to believe we will ever be without power maybe I should buy an electric mill and leave this for a backup. ... even if your batteries all died, you could run it during the day no issue with all of your solar eh.
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Post by graynomad on Nov 17, 2016 7:29:47 GMT 10
Yeah the panels/inverter would drive stuff like that just fine during the day.
Gee that Diamant is a nice piece of kit.
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Post by krull68 on Nov 17, 2016 11:18:19 GMT 10
Wife and i have been talking about what generator to get next year. This thread has been brilliant for info. Especially the watt calculator.
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