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Post by spinifex on May 30, 2021 8:21:41 GMT 10
So ... for may years I have owned Toyota 4WD's with large diameter oil filters located in spots with lots of tool space and I've used the same tool to easily remove them.
I went to do a filter change on my daughters recently acquired Isuzu ute ... they are small diameter and located in a space with much less tool space and inconveniently obstructed behind exhaust and suspension components.
QUESTION: Since I have to get a different tool to remove the small filter from a tight-ish spot ... What should I go for? A socket that fits just 1 kind of filter or one of the various tools with a strap? Or some other type? My main concern is getting a tight grip with minimal movement of the tool handle. So I'm thinking a filter socket is best for that?
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Post by malewithatail on May 30, 2021 9:08:21 GMT 10
A dedicated socket will always be better than a one tool fits all solution. U need to get it off, then put the new one on without damage and the correct tool for the job is always best.
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Post by Joey on May 30, 2021 10:41:48 GMT 10
The bain of the design of modern car engines is the filters are usually tucked away in tight spots and needing a specialist filter socket or such to get them. If you'll be servicing the car for your daughter in the future as well, it might be worth spending a few dollarydoos for the proper adaptor for the job.
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Post by spinifex on May 30, 2021 12:22:40 GMT 10
I have to agree with the saying: Mechanics hate Engineers.
I now have a new appreciation for the sympathy Toyota engineers have shown to mechanics/home maintenance up until 2006. Although I expect their newer products are likely less so.
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Post by Joey on May 30, 2021 16:55:38 GMT 10
If you think the oil filter is hard, have you seen where the starter motor is in a V8 cruiser? its a 10-12hr job to replace it
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Post by malewithatail on May 30, 2021 18:03:16 GMT 10
I work for a farmer who has a Chinese made tractor, apart from the fact that it has 5 computers running it, the engine cowl finishes above the starter motor. Rain drips onto the main connections and has corroded them, its 2 years old so still under warranty, but I had to rewire the main power feed and alternator wires direct to the battery to get it to fire up. Harvest is when everything must work, or else u make it work. To get to the starter motor, its between the c section chassis and you cant even see it, let alone touch it. Looks like an engine removal to change it out. Glad it wont be me !
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Post by bushdoc2 on May 30, 2021 19:33:43 GMT 10
If there is enough room, leather strap wrapped around filter, +/- stick or short lever to add leverage to it. Similar setup to bought filter wrench, but cheaper.
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Post by spinifex on May 31, 2021 8:57:41 GMT 10
If you think the oil filter is hard, have you seen where the starter motor is in a V8 cruiser? its a 10-12hr job to replace it Faaaark! Sounds like more than an engine removal and replacement to get to it? is it like INSIDE the engine?? Does one have to remove a ton of other components in the engine bay to get the engine pulled out?? Yeah ... as I expected ... even new Toyotas are NOT designed to be maintained or repaired in a sensible fashion. I'm sure there is a market gap for a car that has simple and rugged design, minimal electronica, designed to repair and maintain with minimum fuss. It will sacrifice fuel economy and some comfort and convenience and be twice the cost to manufacture ... but I'd get one!
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Post by feralemma on May 31, 2021 18:03:47 GMT 10
Just bang a screwdriver through the filter and use that as leverage to turn it.
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Post by malewithatail on May 31, 2021 18:37:34 GMT 10
Unfortunately, due to the pollution requirements and other statutory laws and rules, simple motor vehicles are no longer able to be sold. Even small motors on generators, motor mowers etc., have to be pollution certified, so a motor car has no hope of meeting the requirements without all the modern electronics. However, we are lucky in that we still are allowed to build, from scratch, a motor vehicle and register it and operate it on a public road. So go right ahead and make your ideal, easy to maintain, non electronic vehicle. Just don't expect to sell any.
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Post by milspec on May 31, 2021 18:59:07 GMT 10
Have been a user of socket/cap style oil filter removers on crowded Porsche engines for many years. They are inexpensive and do the job well.
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Post by spinifex on May 31, 2021 19:06:57 GMT 10
Just bang a screwdriver through the filter and use that as leverage to turn it. LMAO ... Farm Mechanics! You should start a YouTube channel!! Even THAT is tricky in the available tool space. But yeah ... in desperation, that would be the way!! I've ordered a Ryco socket from Repco. (Of which there is only 1 stock item anywhere in SA). With the socket I can run an extension out past all the obstructions and make the job easy. But ... It'll still be messy. Because as soon as the filter is loosened it drops oil all over various parts directly below it.
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Post by spinifex on May 31, 2021 19:19:44 GMT 10
Unfortunately, due to the pollution requirements and other statutory laws and rules, simple motor vehicles are no longer able to be sold. Even small motors on generators, motor mowers etc., have to be pollution certified, so a motor car has no hope of meeting the requirements without all the modern electronics. However, we are lucky in that we still are allowed to build, from scratch, a motor vehicle and register it and operate it on a public road. So go right ahead and make your ideal, easy to maintain, non electronic vehicle. Just don't expect to sell any. I don't know what weapons will be used in the next war, but in the war after the next, surer than hell, they'll be using spears.- Albert Einstein - 1959 yep. This is why modern diesel engines are now fragile and require a sh!t ton of expensive preventative maintenance. They are all about fuel economy and emmision levels. Reliability is now a very distant 4th behind those two and "convenience". The old 2.8 toyota diesel could do 500 000km without any major maintenance involving expensive major parts. See what happens in the latest common rail TD engines if injectors/seals aren't replaced every 150K. This is where modern fuel economy/emmisions savings are questionable. Yes ... emissions from combustion of fuel in the engine are less ... But ... if one considers the need for ever greater amounts of replacement parts; how much energy and how many emissions are the factories producing as they are making all the extra parts?
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Post by Joey on May 31, 2021 19:47:00 GMT 10
If you think the oil filter is hard, have you seen where the starter motor is in a V8 cruiser? its a 10-12hr job to replace it Faaaark! Sounds like more than an engine removal and replacement to get to it? is it like INSIDE the engine?? Does one have to remove a ton of other components in the engine bay to get the engine pulled out?? Yeah ... as I expected ... even new Toyotas are NOT designed to be maintained or repaired in a sensible fashion. I'm sure there is a market gap for a car that has simple and rugged design, minimal electronica, designed to repair and maintain with minimum fuss. It will sacrifice fuel economy and some comfort and convenience and be twice the cost to manufacture ... but I'd get one! Its in the bottom of the valley of the motor and you pretty much needs to remove the intake manifold and other stuff to get to it. Heck to change the starter motor on the Hilux's at work, you need to remove the wheel and pull all the splash guarding from behind the wheel to access it. As for my Nav, if I want to add a 2nd battery to it, the only 2 options for that are: On a bracket mounted to the wheel well in the tub hanging up high and in the way of any large items I want to throw in the back, or down underneath the car next to the gearbox attached to the chassis rail....SIDEWAYS - allowing for only a sealed gel type battery to be used so it can lay on it's side.
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Post by feralemma on May 31, 2021 21:18:26 GMT 10
Just bang a screwdriver through the filter and use that as leverage to turn it. LMAO ... Farm Mechanics! You should start a YouTube channel!! Even THAT is tricky in the available tool space. But yeah ... in desperation, that would be the way!! I've ordered a Ryco socket from Repco. (Of which there is only 1 stock item anywhere in SA). With the socket I can run an extension out past all the obstructions and make the job easy. But ... It'll still be messy. Because as soon as the filter is loosened it drops oil all over various parts directly below it. I could start a channel called whackamole farming: for every problem you hit on the head another one pops up 🤣 Lol would a garbage bag or similar around or under the filter help stop drips?
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Post by spinifex on Jun 1, 2021 9:06:27 GMT 10
I'm going to have make a bespoke oil catcher out of a small plastic container and some twitching wire.
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 1, 2021 10:46:26 GMT 10
Spread some newspaper under the engine before removing the filter. You can even make a small dam from the newspaper to catch any oil that drips from the hole or filter as u take it out. Newspapers cheap !! My old Mitsubishi Triton 2.6 petrol ute, which is now our on farm fire truck, has 750,000 km on it, still starts and runs. Admittedly its duel fuel, petrol and gas, but that's a lot of km. It still starts and runs on LP gas, from a 20 lp bottle that I tie to the tray, on top on the existing lp gas tank. I have the adapter hose to go from the 20lb bottle to the original filler. As its not road registered any more, the gas installation doesn't need inspection, but I have the appropriate qualifications to make sure its still safe. Also, our 8.5 kva honda generator is also duel fuel. Yes, when it was on the road it does use oil, about 1 liter/1000km, but who cares ? On the farm it hasn't needed a top up in 3 years. My Mazda (Triton clone) 2.6 fuel injected table top, also has 450,000 km on it and is starting to use oil. I've switched to the Shell oil for hi mileage engines as it is a bit thicker than the Coles brand $20 stuff. Bought 60 liters of metho and 60 liter drums of turps, as well as several 15w40 20 liter drums of diesel engine oil for the tractor and generator. Started on the new gasifier, hve the grate made and a filter. Looking for an old 2 liter paint pot for the retort.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 1, 2021 18:27:36 GMT 10
Problem isn't stopping oil hitting the ground ... its stopping it getting all over a bunch of other parts on its way to the ground.
I'll make a little catcher that wires on to the filter mount and hangs below it to catch the oil before it makes a mess. Lucky theres enough space to do that.
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Post by milspec on Jun 1, 2021 19:18:52 GMT 10
@spinifex "With the socket I can run an extension out past all the obstructions and make the job easy." .... that's exactly what I used to do with transaxle CV joints on my 944s ... probably about 500mm+ worth of extensions to get the ratchet clear of the tyre/wheel well then ratchet away to your heart's content.
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Post by lonewolf on Jun 1, 2021 23:02:07 GMT 10
I was always told by a head mechanic when i was working with cars (very briefly) that one should put some oil on the new filter seal and never use a wrench to put the filter on, always hand tighten if possible and never overtighten. This was with older cars back in the 80's 90's though, much better access in holdens and fords back then.
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