bug
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Post by bug on Jan 3, 2022 14:58:14 GMT 10
malewithtail, friend of mine only had the vaccines so they could travel the 1000kms into nsw to see newborn this coming march, i wonder if by then a booster will be needed to live and move freely in Australia? Yep. That's the kind of coercion that the state governments are using. The Vic govt seems to be the worst, hence the biggest protests have been in Melbourne. I've had two mates hold out as long as they possibly could, but had to cave when both him and his wife were threatened with their job. Wife held out and was fired shortly after. The fallout from this is that the sheep public's impression of 90% "doing the right thing" is absurd. We will never know how many were willing and how many were not. Either way, trust in government is permanently gone for many people. For some it's gone from seeing govt as a necessary evil, to actively hating them.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 3, 2022 15:27:48 GMT 10
There is no logical reason to force staff to be vaccinated. So why are so many employers insisting on it?
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Post by Stealth on Jan 3, 2022 16:51:41 GMT 10
Haha frostbite, I stay in my travel trailer while on call. Lonely days, but much easier commute until we can relocate to the property! I know a lot of folks who do long distance marriages for a few years while they're stetting things up for the future. Embracing the suck for a couple of years to be comfortable in the rest of them seems to be a fairly common experience these days for the younger generations. We've only had to have brief periods apart and one longer period to get a bit of a cash injection out of work and that was long enough for me. I can't imagine doing it for a few years at a time but I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do!
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Post by bug on Jan 3, 2022 17:31:23 GMT 10
There is no logical reason to force staff to be vaccinated. So why are so many employers insisting on it? Many are being forced. Mine was forced by the government to do it. We have literally no contact with the public at all. Prior to it being announced, I told my boss that I wanted nothing to do with this stuff. When to our surprise they brought it in, I resigned and took one of the many, many job offers that are going around these days (and took a pay-rise too). People don't forget this kind of thing either. A company that does it will never, ever get that employee back, even if they drop the policy later on. On a larger scale, even if it's only affecting 5-10% of people, having that big a jump in the non-participatory workforce is devastating to an economy. It effectively doubles the unemployment rate, except it's now the most employable people instead of just the least employable people who are now out of the workforce. This kind of thing usually drives up inflation. Many people have pointed out the recent increase in the cost of living. This kind of thing isn't helping. A splurge in debt-driven government spending combined with a reduced workforce will prolong or perhaps even prevent an economic recovery.
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Post by hd1340 on Jan 3, 2022 18:07:30 GMT 10
There is no logical reason to force staff to be vaccinated. So why are so many employers insisting on it? Both mine and the missus' employers have done this. Had an interesting tele link-up with HR asked a few curly questions. In response to " is there alternative duties for mutli skilled employees response was there may be opportunities, then in the next sentence she says if you don't get vaccinated they will class it as unsatisfactory conduct and performance manage the individual. Suprised the unvaccinated and single dosers aren't being singled out and forced to walk around ringing a bell yelling "UNCLEAN, UNCLEAN".
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Post by frostbite on Jan 3, 2022 18:13:34 GMT 10
What is the difference between a vaxed and unvaxxed employee? Both can catch covid and both can spread covid. The vaxxed employee presents a greater risk to the business because they may suffer reduced symptoms whilst still contagious, and attend work whereas an unvaxxed employee suffering more severe symptoms may use sick leave. Are employers so stupid they can't understand such a simple concept, or is there another agenda?
I work for the Commonwealth Governnent, so when my boss mentioned we may need to be vaccinated in the future, I reminded him that such a policy contravenes our code of conduct, which states all employees must be treated equally.
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Post by hd1340 on Jan 3, 2022 18:24:49 GMT 10
I did pose the question Re. Inequitable treatment and got the typical HR duck and weave" we'll endeavor to accommodate if possible, but your area needs to be vaccinated". Majority of my work is one on one training and assessing. "
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Post by snafu on Jan 3, 2022 20:13:47 GMT 10
I just told my boss im not going to be vaccinated and i wont be quitting as i need my job to pay the bills so if you want me vaccinated its not happening and you will need to organize how you will try to fire me, he just said "will see how things go for now" and haven't heard back about it yet. I dont know much about it but i think a regulatory body for my area of work "delivery drivers" has some sort of say in the matter.
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Post by bug on Jan 4, 2022 8:04:11 GMT 10
There's been a real 'shadow economy' showing up in the construction industry, with those who were forced out now getting phone calls to work again. There is so much work on that a 'no questions asked' approach is creeping in. The obvious result of this is that builders who do not discriminate will get workers. Those who discriminate will struggle.
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