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Post by frostbite on Jun 26, 2022 16:41:36 GMT 10
In decades past we didn't live in a police state where cameras monitored almost our every movement, where government mandated injections of trial drugs to participate in society, where travel was severely curtailed, where your home or your personal data could be searched without a warrant, where cops dressed like special forces and were encouraged by their senior leaders to brurally bash unarmed civilians.....
Need I go on?
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Post by malewithatail on Jun 26, 2022 16:43:16 GMT 10
I would like to know what I know now, with the strength that I had 30 years ago. Thats the issue Ive been thinking about. WTSHTF I am getting older and definitely not as resilient as I was even last year.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
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Post by spinifex on Jun 26, 2022 17:07:42 GMT 10
Female participation in work was economic reform disguised as woman's rights so is 100% tied to economy, Women in the workforce is not of the kind of "economic reform" or "social reform" most people perceive it to be or even suspect it to be.
What it does is makes child rearing a taxable activity and takes women in households away from doing untaxed labour raising them. Its F#ckwitted when you look at at it. Mothers go to paid employment to be taxed ... and the kids go to a person who minds children as a business and who is also taxed for doing so. Its a double tax benefit outcome to government. It also increased the size of the labour pool at the time and drove down the value of labour. Women were paid at much lower rates for a stupidly long time. A bonus for big business. This is where people need to open their eyes and minds a bit more to see the real nature of government policy and its relationship to big business. Government, at behest of big business leaders, is there to extract maximum taxes and redistribute them as juicy supply contracts to aforementioned big businesses. This is also the driver behind privatization of so many services better and more effectively supplied by Government and its own employees ... its to open up big, juicy, unsupervised and uncared for cashflow streams to big businesses. So ... in my experience ... the way Australia operated from say late 60's until mid 80's was a good model of Socialist Capitalism. Utilities were state owned and well run, road network was upgraded in ways and in timeframes that modern private contracting can't achieve, health system worked better without the overburden of private health providers being profit making vampires, university education was very, very affordable ... etc ...etc. If you liked OZ in the late 60's to mid 80's ... you like a healthy portion of socialism in your economy. I'm in that camp. The good old days seemed to be that period. But ... I do look forward to a future of Austerity. It'll really help our society harden the Phuck up and get back to a mentality that "results matter" and efficiency, effectiveness and durability of products and services also matter. I look forward to the end of our Society of Convenience and the "Landfill Economy" that sustains it.
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Post by d on Jun 26, 2022 18:06:19 GMT 10
Female participation in work was economic reform disguised as woman's rights so is 100% tied to economy, WW2 planted that seed in many companies heads. 75% plus the women in my cohort hate working and raising a family simultaneously but they now h….no option due to economics of house and living prices. Many actually say in semi seriousness they they dislike their kids but really this is a symptom of not being the superwoman that the feminist agenda promised they’d be. They were promised a land cruiser and given a lada. religion is not an issue in my circle or anyone i know and social acceptability (based on environmental concerns) is negligible. economic factors dominate. Rather than just your circle consider the decline of Christianity in Australia and it’s attitude towards children. No doubt the economic factor is relevant but to say it’s the dominate reason with no information is rather premature.
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Post by d on Jun 26, 2022 18:45:10 GMT 10
In decades past we didn't live in a police state where cameras monitored almost our every movement, where government mandated injections of trial drugs to participate in society, where travel was severely curtailed, where your home or your personal data could be searched without a warrant, where cops dressed like special forces and were encouraged by their senior leaders to brurally bash unarmed civilians..... Need I go on? Mm to act like personal liberty being impinged is a recent thing is a bit off base, just depends on the population
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Post by Stealth on Jun 26, 2022 20:26:27 GMT 10
You'd really have to define the 'good old days' era to get a proper idea of my opinion of whether or not they'd be worth going back to. But as a dot point list;
1930s. How cool is it to be allowed to have your own bank account and be able to enter into a business transaction without seeking another person's permissions? Men? Tell us what that's like? 1940s. No thanks. I guess at least men were supposed to be 'gentlemen' in that era, but also I'd rather not have the world war to deal with. Also, medical science is pretty bomb. My first baby would have killed me without it. So yeah... no thanks. 1950s. Bake your own freakin' cake, Frank. I ain't got time for your slippers and cigar shenanigans. Sit and swivel. 1960s. Has some potential... But also war. 1970s. I guess the feminist movement in that era really gives me a lot to be grateful for, but I look terrible in flares. Great music though! And this was the decade where I would no longer be forced out of my job if I became pregnant or got married! Lucky me! 1980s. The rise of technology makes this decade really appealing and while science was miles behind where it is now, I'd likely not have died having my first baby so that's a win. I think if I were literally forced to go back in time and experience life in an earlier decade, this is probably the one that I'd choose because I'd be most comfortable there.
Put it this way, anyone who pines for 'the good old days' is unlikely to have experienced a situation where they're personally affected by any kind of large social issues. For example, someone of an indigenous background would probably have even larger and more recent significant reasons to avoid decades than a white woman. Someone that's not a straight person probably would be more antagonistic or even afraid of certain decades, for example prior to effective treatment for AIDs in the epidemic that happened in the 80s. Immigrants would likely be ok with some earlier decades where racism existed but was still tinged with 'everyone deserves a go' compared to our newer 'no one deserves what I have' attitude that's crept in.
So are there things that I romanticize about earlier decades and look at and think 'wow, imagine how cool it would be if that was your lived experience'. But then when I really look at what's happened in my life and how it would look if I'd been living those experiences but with that technology, nah. Not for me. Like I said, my first baby would have killed me at 25. Would I want to go back in time? Nope. I'd be dead.
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Post by bug on Jun 27, 2022 9:19:45 GMT 10
All the countries that forced women into the workforce so that the mega-rich could make more money are now paying for it in a big way due to collapsing fertility rates. Women are having less kids and doing it later. There is now a stigma around any woman who chooses to stay at home and take care of the kids. That is a disgraceful attribute of our society. Raising kids is vastly more important than having another income in the house. All it's done is raise the cost of living.
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Post by tactile on Jun 27, 2022 12:09:46 GMT 10
Women have less kids when they become more educated...I'm not sure if the demographic issues is just a big elite conspiracy. For example, Kevin Rudd believes the population implosion in China is not just the fallout from the One Child Policy, but the (now) educated women are pushing back against their generally misogynist men. More power to them I say!
The people screaming about demographics are mainly capitalists (Musk etc) that want to maintain the system we have...but demographics is going to make the decision for them. I think what's coming is a new system. Not one we have tried before. I have been thinking about this for a long time and its interesting that Zeihan touched on it in one of his videos this morning.
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Post by grumble on Jun 27, 2022 14:28:53 GMT 10
The past is a different country we did things different there so i focus on the present so i dont look back at this time the here and now and think about how great things were back in 2022
The biggest regret is that i never documented things better back in the day I think back to those warm summer nights in 95 sitting on the ton ( 100MPH) in my XY ute with the holy 850 double pumper feeding the expensive 68 cents a liter 110 octane super down the throat of a worked 351 clevo with white zombie and kyus pumping out tunes on the tape deck the 3 X 150watt spotlights cutting into the darkness the SKK on the dash sitting on a towel with a couple of 30 round mags full of norinco goodness and a bottle of tequila in the center console sucking down winfeild white reds with a crazy goth girl in the passenger seat and nothing but open empty roads ahead of us for many hours with no destination in mind
If only i could go back and tell myself to enjoy it and make the most of it because this is as close as you will ever be to being free
yeah the past is a different country we did things different there
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Post by spatial on Jun 27, 2022 23:45:46 GMT 10
When I joined the workforce retirement age was 55 for woman and 60 for men. By the time I finish retirement age will be 70.. Gov can no longer afford the pension and want more taxes out of you.
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Post by d on Jun 28, 2022 5:46:06 GMT 10
When I joined the workforce retirement age was 55 for woman and 60 for men. By the time I finish retirement age will be 70.. Gov can no longer afford the pension and want more taxes out of you. That’s just the age to access benefits, if you can fund your life without government input then you can retire whenever
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Post by spatial on Jun 28, 2022 7:14:26 GMT 10
When I joined the workforce retirement age was 55 for woman and 60 for men. By the time I finish retirement age will be 70.. Gov can no longer afford the pension and want more taxes out of you. That’s just the age to access benefits, if you can fund your life without government input then you can retire whenever Yes, but it is where the population is; most are less prepared for retirement than in the past and gov are delaying payment duet to economic stress. It is not all about your personal financial status, it is where most Australians are sitting, high debt and spending more than they earn, having to work well past retirement age. You can blame them for bad financial decisions but it is where were are as a community and globally.
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Post by d on Jun 28, 2022 8:18:12 GMT 10
That’s just the age to access benefits, if you can fund your life without government input then you can retire whenever Yes, but it is where the population is; most are less prepared for retirement than in the past and gov are delaying payment duet to economic stress. It is not all about your personal financial status, it is where most Australians are sitting, high debt and spending more than they earn, having to work well past retirement age. You can blame them for bad financial decisions but it is where were are as a community and globally. It’s not within our scope to prescribe solutions for the country, only ourselves. Obviously personal responsibility is one factor but certainly not the only for this situation however it’s largely irrelevant as for those participating in this discussion.
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Post by bug on Jun 28, 2022 14:49:45 GMT 10
When I joined the workforce retirement age was 55 for woman and 60 for men. By the time I finish retirement age will be 70.. Gov can no longer afford the pension and want more taxes out of you. Yup. There's no sign of that trend ending either. Mandatory superannuation exists for that reason. The government spins (eg: lies) and says it is a benefit. It is a tax. Businesses count this cost when working out what they can offer employees.
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Post by tactile on Jun 28, 2022 15:40:26 GMT 10
That’s just the age to access benefits, if you can fund your life without government input then you can retire whenever
Is access to your own super classed as a benefit these days?
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Post by d on Jun 28, 2022 18:41:04 GMT 10
That’s just the age to access benefits, if you can fund your life without government input then you can retire whenever
Is access to your own super classed as a benefit these days?
Unfortunately, but you can bet when the average punter starts pissing away their super on jet skis and dumb shit and as a result have no retirement fund and can’t afford cat food to live off in old age that will be the governments fault too so…
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 28, 2022 22:21:14 GMT 10
YES, THE GOOD OLD DAYS DID EXIST. THE 70'S AND 80'S - THE MUSIC THEN WAS AWESOME!
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Post by spinifex on Jun 29, 2022 12:39:31 GMT 10
When I joined the workforce retirement age was 55 for woman and 60 for men. By the time I finish retirement age will be 70.. Gov can no longer afford the pension and want more taxes out of you. The pension is cheaper on taxpayers than Super. grattan.edu.au/news/why-super-is-a-burden-on-the-budget/Everyone should read the budget papers of their state government at least once in their life ... So they understand that Superannuation payouts are a big budget item in treasury. I think its time to apply some retrospective reality to those fat, juicy retirement funds. Getting paid 75% of your final years wage, guaranteed, in perpetuity, is just plain unsustainable. But ... so many well connected people are on that sweet deal that they are a lobbying force to be reckoned with. Plenty of people work harder than them and don't get anywhere near that kind of retirement deal. For fellow south australians: Go to page 177 and 186 of volume 4 of budget papers. Our Gov spends 472 million a year on sending out super payments to ex employees. When you factor in current payments being made into the govt super funds for currently working employees ... another similar sized annual burden is realised. This system, as currently operated, will vanish as austerity starts to bite hard due to rising energy costs destabilising the existing economic "consumption and landfill creation" model.
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Post by bug on Jun 29, 2022 13:48:20 GMT 10
"Everyone should read the budget papers of their state government at least once in their life .."
If I ever want to end up with mild depression, will give that a go.
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Post by frostbite on Jun 29, 2022 15:00:16 GMT 10
I think you will find those generous super schemes haven't been available to new employees for many years.
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