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Post by sentinel on Jul 18, 2014 7:12:56 GMT 10
(My deepest sympathies go out to the 27 Australians {and other Nationalities} killed in the jet that was shot down over the border region of the Ukraine and Russian Fed this morning). ............................................
www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/07/18/twenty-seven-australians-killed-in-mh17-crash.html
Twenty-seven Australians killed in MH17.
crashUpdated: 7:06 am, Friday, 18 July 2014
Dutch airport authorities have confirmed 27 Australians were on board flight MH17 which crashed in eastern Ukraine.Among the 295 passengers and crew on board were 154 from the Netherlands, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians, six Britons and four Germans.The nationalities of the others on board are yet to be confirmed.An Australian passport is clearly visible in footage aired on Russian media which showed passports reportedly recovered from the crash site.A 24-hour hotline has been set up by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade for people who have concerns friends or relatives may have been on board: 1300 555 135.
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 18, 2014 18:12:50 GMT 10
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Post by sentinel on Jul 18, 2014 18:21:39 GMT 10
If you heard PM T.A's address about an hour ago you'd be a lot more worried. (He's getting excited I'm sure of it - he's getting closer to his dream - becoming a War Time Prime Minister).
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 18, 2014 18:24:49 GMT 10
I have always had this feeling that Abott would be our war time prime minister! In fact when he was elected I thought " and so we have our war time prime minister".
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Post by pheniox17 on Jul 18, 2014 18:52:13 GMT 10
surely Australia won't go to war over this, and what can Australia really do against the might of Russia...
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Post by Ausprep on Jul 18, 2014 18:53:05 GMT 10
The wife was saying "shit, he better watch what he says..he'll get us bombed"
I agree. War involvement for Au is just around the corner.
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Post by Ausprep on Jul 18, 2014 18:53:29 GMT 10
surely Australia won't go to war over this, and what can Australia really do against the might of Russia... Wont be over this but only a matter of time..
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Post by pheniox17 on Jul 18, 2014 19:11:04 GMT 10
not this close to finishing Afghanistan... oh wait he begged the USA to go into Iraq....
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 18, 2014 19:26:38 GMT 10
I'm not sure how involved we will be but we have chosen our side and will not remain neutral!!!
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Post by sentinel on Jul 18, 2014 19:33:32 GMT 10
If it does come to that the Power Ranger against Obey-me - we will be in there as well - we have been in every military deployment with them for the last 60 years - that's with Obey-me's lot.
They will use us as deep penetration Intel gathering resource. We have a very proficient track record in this.
And yes - this is still necessary as they learned much from WWII and have used these lessons well - if your in a regional city each block of flats can lend fire support to about 8 or 9 others with a central kill zone - from a defensive point of view - to minimise casualties deploy a low yield air-burst nuke. A 'towns' population over there is around 100k population out in the regional areas - that's a moderate to smallish sized town. Second point - in the middle of bloody no where you can come across a factory - in this end goes raw materials - other end - out rolls a tank. Rail is still hard core - I managed a look inside a railgaurd security car - one wall I could see was jam-packed with electronic devises. Their military use rail also for transport and it was common to see units carrying weapons board local trains. Their military structure still calls for total obedience.
So yeah - Obey-me will still want our people dropped in deep. Don't forget it's seven times the size of Australia. And plenty of bordering countries still hold a grudge towards the leadership there so getting an acess point would be fairly easy.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 18, 2014 21:40:07 GMT 10
Very curious what will come off this - when it broke on our local ABC radio, they were interviewing a Ukranian farmer nearby, who said there was a large fire fight between the Ukranians and Pro Russian forces, then a loud "Bang" then falling debris. The so called "intercepted radio transmitions" came out a little too quickly for my liking - almost immediately after they were leaked to the press and posted on YouTube. The pro Russian forces are adamant they shot down a Ukranian fighter, and that it was the Ukranians that fired the missile that downed the Malaysian plane. Not taking sides here (which is interesting as my family background is Ukranian/Russian), but it is interesting that there is a very 1 sided bias being told in the press. There would be a lot of very good conspiracy ideas coming out, but I think we may never find out what actually happened, and if it was NOT the Pro Russian fighters who did this, and it could be proven, well, won't the West look silly. If, on the other hand, it WAS them that did it, it may be the move towards war that US?NATO would then send troops to Ukraine, and then draw Russia into a conflict. Who knows what Obey-Me-Ama will do. Lost Afghanistan, needs to find face somewhere!!!! ??
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 18, 2014 21:40:46 GMT 10
Did you guys hear about all the AIDS researchers that were on this plane? Such an appalling waste of intelligence - and research in this particular area will take a really hard hit
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 19, 2014 2:15:18 GMT 10
Putin's plane could be original target? 18.07.2014 english.pravda.ru/hotspots/disasters/18-07-2014/128077-putin_malaysia_boeing-0/ Putin's plane could be original target?. Russian President Vladimir Putin believes that Ukraine is responsible for the disaster with Malaysia Airlines plane, which occurred on Thursday, July 18. The Russian president urged the Russian authorities to assist in every way in the investigation of this crime. "Undoubtedly, the state, on the territory of which it happened, is responsible for this terrible tragedy," Vladimir Putin said at a meeting of the State for Economic Affairs, which he proposed to start with a minute of silence in memory of the victims of the terrible disaster. "This tragedy would not have happened, if there had been peace in the world, and if the fighting in the south-east of Ukraine wouldn't have been resumed," Putin said. Putin ordered the Russian government to do everything possible to establish an objective picture of the disaster. "I ask the Russian government through available opportunities of civilian agencies to do everything to thoroughly investigate this event," said the president. "We must do everything in our power so that an objective picture of what happened became available to the general public of Russia, Ukraine and the whole world," Putin stated. "These are absolutely unacceptable things, and nobody has the right to pass this by without making appropriate conclusions, without obtaining objective information about the accident," said the president of the Russian Federation. Putin also reiterated his condolences on behalf of the Russian government to all the families of the victims, as well as the governments of those countries, whose citizens were flying in the crashed plane. Amid the versions of the reasons of the crash of the MA Boeing 777, officials with the Russian Federal Aviation Agency, Rosaviation, believe that the passenger jetliner was shot down. The original target could be the airplane of Russian President Putin. "The presidential jetliner and the Malaysian Boeing intersected at the same point and at the same echelon. This happened near Warsaw, on 330th echelon at an altitude of 10,100 meters. Air Force One was there at 16:21 MSK, the Malaysian plane - at 15:44 MSK," an anonymous source said. "The contours of the two aircraft are generally similar, the linear dimensions are also very similar, and as for coloring, it looks almost identical at a remote distance," the source said. Afterwards, an official spokesman for Rosaviation that the agency never comments on the routes of Air Force One. Advisor to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, Anton Gerashchenko, said that the plane was shot down with anti-aircraft missile system Buk. At the same time, armed supporters of Donetsk and Luhansk breakaway republics denied any involvement in the crash of the plane. They do not exclude that the Ukrainian Air Force is responsible for the disaster. Donetsk People's Republic Prime Minister Alexander Boroday said that the plane could be shot down by Ukrainian air defense, which, according to him, were set on high alert on July 14. In addition, the website of the People's Republic of Luhansk says that eyewitnesses saw a strike fighter attacking the Malaysia Airlines Boeing.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 19, 2014 2:31:37 GMT 10
Not always reliable, but interesting if true. www.infowars.com/ukraine-air-traffic-controller-suggests-kiev-military-shot-down-passenger-plane/UKRAINE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER SUGGESTS KIEV MILITARY SHOT DOWN PASSENGER PLANE Not known where the order to shoot down the plane originated from Ukraine air traffic controller suggests Kiev military shot down passenger plane This Kiev air traffic controller is a citizen of Spain and was working in the Ukraine. He was taken off duty as a civil air-traffic controller along with other foreigners immediately after a Malaysia Airlines passenger aircraft was shot down over the Eastern Ukraine killing 295 passengers and crew on board. The air traffic controller suggested in a private evaluation and basing it on military sources in Kiev, that the Ukrainian military was behind this shoot down. Radar records were immediately confiscated after it became clear a passenger jet was shot down. Military air traffic controllers in internal communication acknowledged the military was involved, and some military chatter said they did not know where the order to shoot down the plane originated from. Obviously it happened after a series of errors, since the very same plane was escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets until 3 minutes before it disappeared from radar. Radar screen shots also show an unexplained change of course of the Malaysian Boeing. The change of course took the aircraft directly over the Eastern Ukraine conflict region. Some tweets received suggest this may have been a secret military uprising against the current Ukrainian president under the direction of formerly-jailed Prime Minister Timoshenko. According to other rumors, the black box for this crashed Malaysian Airlines flight was taken by Donetsk separatists. A spokesperson for the rebel group said this black box would be sent to the Interstate Aviation Committee headquartered in Moscow. The First Deputy Prime Minister of the self-proclaimed People’s Republic of Donetsk, Andrew Purgin, stated that the flight recorders of the crashed aircraft will be transferred to Moscow for examination. Sources say the Rebel group leadership hopes this would confirm the Ukrainian military actually shot down this aircraft. This was reported by the news agency Interfax-Ukraine. ETN statement: The information in this article is independently confirmed and based on the statement of one airline controller and other tweets received.
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Post by sentinel on Jul 19, 2014 6:27:46 GMT 10
Very curious what will come off this - when it broke on our local ABC radio, they were interviewing a Ukranian farmer nearby, who said there was a large fire fight between the Ukranians and Pro Russian forces, then a loud "Bang" then falling debris. The so called "intercepted radio transmitions" came out a little too quickly for my liking - almost immediately after they were leaked to the press and posted on YouTube. The pro Russian forces are adamant they shot down a Ukranian fighter, and that it was the Ukranians that fired the missile that downed the Malaysian plane. Not taking sides here (which is interesting as my family background is Ukranian/Russian), but it is interesting that there is a very 1 sided bias being told in the press. There would be a lot of very good conspiracy ideas coming out, but I think we may never find out what actually happened, and if it was NOT the Pro Russian fighters who did this, and it could be proven, well, won't the West look silly. If, on the other hand, it WAS them that did it, it may be the move towards war that US?NATO would then send troops to Ukraine, and then draw Russia into a conflict. Who knows what Obey-Me-Ama will do. Lost Afghanistan, needs to find face somewhere!!!! ?? Glad you also heard the reference to there being two planes. I only heard one person that was shown on a T.V. interview make a mention of there being another plane. This, Two plane scenario, does sound highly plausible - (I too am unsure where the blame lies and am remaining unbiased due to connection I have while seeking the truth, but was concerned this morning from an interview with a deceased Australians friend - he was livid and blamed putin solely, I hope the media hasn't managed to turn this into a witch hunt already with the obvious slant they used yesterday) - It may have been simply 'The wrong place at the wrong time', or, 'a false flag operation implemented when the right opportunity was presented'. It was pointed out in a couple of interviews yesterday, why hadn't the US satellite defence system spotted this (as this is one of it's main functionary purpose?) I think there are a lot of questions we will never get the 'truth' for, and be 'fed' the information they want us to hear.
Out of curiosity I flicked across to an international (basically Canadian dominated forum) - site, only to find two threads at the time bote wear dominated by writer with a clear mindset who accepted no other opinion other than his own - possibly he had far closer connection to the US than his profile suggested, as he was at that point quick to belittle any poster who had an objective opinion and offered up an alternate possibility to his/her own.
Would like to hear from O.L. on the general consensus of peoples opinion/thoughts being expressed in the Philippines as they lost three citizens I believe the final toll was.
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 19, 2014 9:54:36 GMT 10
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