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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 14:30:56 GMT 10
I'm with you there, the plans with the car, is basically disposable, as without gogo juice you can no longer go go That's why my focus has always been foot or bug in, on foot you do see more So adapting plans with no purchased bol is hard (OK nightmarish) that's why my focus is bug in then look like a refugee lol
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 17, 2014 14:34:29 GMT 10
Also, I'm willing to share some of my knowledge. Growing up in a marine family, for some reason my dad always raised me to do the right thing and protect people, then turned around and trained me to be a bloody criminal. Picking locks, hotwiring cars, bypassing alarms, moving silently (my mom still hates him for that one) I have a whole suite of knowledge that one normally uses to put themselves on a most wanted list with the local police.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 14:37:15 GMT 10
But flip the other side, we have all seen Katrina and its devistaion in the USA, and new orlands is just starting to recover, but population demographic has a large part to play, we have seen the bad side after bushfires and the Brisbane floods but Australia is quite quick to recover (Brisbane has a few scars but overall within weeks the area was back to basic operation) Living in New Orleans, I can tell you the lack of recovery from Katrina has nothing to do with the damage done. Mississippi had almost as much damage, and they were in much better shape than us almost a year later. The slow recovery time is due to several aspects that almost make me sick to call this city home. From politicians stealing from the recovery funds, to the locals spending their recovery money not on actual recovery, but on the casino, or pimping out their car. To make matters worse, I have seen too many outside groups come in with the idea of "Helping rebuild". A noble goal, but they grew jaded and normally left soon after. Would you want to help rebuild a city when the people living in it would rather sit on their front porch, drink, and do drugs while watching you, instead of working side by side with you? Sorry, it's just something that has upset me way too many times, and I tend to rant on it every now and then. No need to be sorry, I have had reports less than a hour away from new orlands the "red necks" were extremely helpful, the community banded together and.. Well let's say makes us proud to be human, but population demographic is a massive factor in all plans
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Post by Ausprep on Aug 17, 2014 14:37:44 GMT 10
Just got me thinking.. If you lay out a map and draw a triangle over my suburb, the 3 points are the only way out. Other sides are blocked by swap and rail. Could be s problem. Rail is another possible escape route... But from memory your plans are focused on bugging out ASAP.. As soon as there is wind you be gone.. But 3 points that can be locked down is always a worry, I think i only have a extra 2 points... But my location will be in the second stage of a lockdown (the capatol cities first... Then the smaller "cities" regional oz will be the last if even considered) But local knowledge is one of the most important things to us, there are always exercises that prove that from "north force" to us national guard units But let's face it, if a major life changing event happens, the first thing is mass chaos, there will be lots of looting in major cities, mainly retail stores.. Major highways will be clogged within minutes (think peek hour traffic but more extreme) side roads will be shut down within hours... So timing is everything... But what we know, food distribution stores (retail) will be empty within 3 days, with water shut off, dehydration will be a major issue to most within 24 hours, others within a week, 3 weeks without food people will be useless.. So threat levels start to drop within a month, but the survivors will become a new threat.. And will be armed... (My definition of armed is semi automatic firearms in this case) So this is where things get interesting, where our plans, skills, luck and god are hopefully in our favor.. Conservativly I would give a year or 2 before finding some form of normality, I wish sooner but any event that is on this scale is generation changing... But flip the other side, we have all seen Katrina and its devistaion in the USA, and new orlands is just starting to recover, but population demographic has a large part to play, we have seen the bad side after bushfires and the Brisbane floods but Australia is quite quick to recover (Brisbane has a few scars but overall within weeks the area was back to basic operation) But local knowledge and knowing human nature will improve chances.. Also watching government reactions in all western countries to disasters as it is a accepted model... How au recovered from the Brisbane flood, a lot of lessons were taken from Katrina, some from Oswald, but the west learns from the west... Some great feedback there Phen. This has really got me thinking. See below the pic/map. The swamp couldnt be crossed, its around 1km to the other side. Unsure on how deep etc. The rail is sunken tracks. Could be crossed on foot but not with a vehicle. There IS possible ways out, i am now going to make it my mission to scout the few areas and nail down a way out should i need one.
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 17, 2014 14:48:17 GMT 10
Actually, if you had the time, the patience, and some good first aid to back you up, presetting a route through the swamp would be a good idea. Mark a trail in such a way that you'll have an easy way to find it, but it doesn't stand out to the layman. Especially if you're being followed, a swamp is a damn good place to lose someone, and easy enough to traverse if you're careful and already have a route set. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance, and all that.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 14:51:11 GMT 10
Rail is another possible escape route... But from memory your plans are focused on bugging out ASAP.. As soon as there is wind you be gone.. But 3 points that can be locked down is always a worry, I think i only have a extra 2 points... But my location will be in the second stage of a lockdown (the capatol cities first... Then the smaller "cities" regional oz will be the last if even considered) But local knowledge is one of the most important things to us, there are always exercises that prove that from "north force" to us national guard units But let's face it, if a major life changing event happens, the first thing is mass chaos, there will be lots of looting in major cities, mainly retail stores.. Major highways will be clogged within minutes (think peek hour traffic but more extreme) side roads will be shut down within hours... So timing is everything... But what we know, food distribution stores (retail) will be empty within 3 days, with water shut off, dehydration will be a major issue to most within 24 hours, others within a week, 3 weeks without food people will be useless.. So threat levels start to drop within a month, but the survivors will become a new threat.. And will be armed... (My definition of armed is semi automatic firearms in this case) So this is where things get interesting, where our plans, skills, luck and god are hopefully in our favor.. Conservativly I would give a year or 2 before finding some form of normality, I wish sooner but any event that is on this scale is generation changing... But flip the other side, we have all seen Katrina and its devistaion in the USA, and new orlands is just starting to recover, but population demographic has a large part to play, we have seen the bad side after bushfires and the Brisbane floods but Australia is quite quick to recover (Brisbane has a few scars but overall within weeks the area was back to basic operation) But local knowledge and knowing human nature will improve chances.. Also watching government reactions in all western countries to disasters as it is a accepted model... How au recovered from the Brisbane flood, a lot of lessons were taken from Katrina, some from Oswald, but the west learns from the west... Some great feedback there Phen. This has really got me thinking. See below the pic/map. The swamp couldnt be crossed, its around 1km to the other side. Unsure on how deep etc. The rail is sunken tracks. Could be crossed on foot but not with a vehicle. There IS possible ways out, i am now going to make it my mission to scout the few areas and nail down a way out should i need one. Have a look at the power grid, those main power lines, you will find that they are 4wd accessible
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 17, 2014 14:51:42 GMT 10
OH! I see you live near Woodberry? tell me is that guy with the eye patch still around?
Seriously though, when all else fails our feet may well be the best way out for most of us. I'll always keep broken in hiking gear on hand with good socks to suit.
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Post by graynomad on Aug 17, 2014 18:26:56 GMT 10
I'm a big fan of walking, I know you can't cover much distance but on foot you can go almost anywhere whereas vehicles are stuck to the road (more or less according to the vehicle) and easy to see/hear. Like all these things it depends on the situation, but you can sneak out the back door, over the fence and be away while the bad guys are still mucking around with your front door, not so if you have to drive and the car is in the garage. OTOH once in a car you can really put some distance between you and the action, until you come around a corner and smack into a road block that is
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Post by wolfstar on Aug 17, 2014 19:14:10 GMT 10
And that's where I will have the upper hand when I get a piece of land. Horses are quiet, and can go anywhere a human can pretty much, and much faster at that. and hey, worst case scenario you can always eat it....
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Post by Res-Q on Aug 17, 2014 19:19:29 GMT 10
Everything i need is up at my BOL so my family and friends only need to travel light. We took into consideration road blockages for whatever reason and decided we needed resupply caches at the halfway point on our WALK to the BOL. The distance is approximately 70 Klm and is not really that far to walk. But, we had to factor in its not just us but all ages walking this distance. The old adage you only walk as fast as the slowest member of the team applies here so it will be a two day walk. With this in mind as i mentioned earlier my mates and i went up into the mountains at the halfway point and buried multiple 20LT pails with food, bottled water,sweets etc to break the trip up into reasonable legs and allow family members to rest overnight to deal with the usual blisters,rashes,complaining, headaches, aches and pains which will be the reality of walking with non hiking family members. .
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 17, 2014 19:24:55 GMT 10
Spot on Res, 70km is doable for most average people in a single day, but it's a muscle straining push if you are not used to it, would imagine there will be a few stiff muscles the next day. Hope you have deep heat in your BOB and it pays to keep those gel blister protectors handy to put on BEFORE the big walk, if you stick them to the skin of your family members feet before they start walking it reduces the risk of blisters dramatically.
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Post by Res-Q on Aug 17, 2014 19:40:11 GMT 10
Some good tips there mate, thanks Curash has worked well for me in the past.
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Post by hago on Aug 25, 2014 0:30:58 GMT 10
Also, I'm willing to share some of my knowledge. Growing up in a marine family, for some reason my dad always raised me to do the right thing and protect people, then turned around and trained me to be a bloody criminal. Picking locks, hotwiring cars, bypassing alarms, moving silently (my mom still hates him for that one) I have a whole suite of knowledge that one normally uses to put themselves on a most wanted list with the local police. its not so much those skills that are bad,actually more people should have them its more about how we use our knowledge and unfortunately those awesome skills are used by and for personal gain at others exspense which tarnishes' them for what they are,which is damn handy to know.Same as fire starting in all its forms,wrong hands devestating right hands lifesaving.whish I,d learnt to pick locks.
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 26, 2014 18:26:44 GMT 10
Also, I'm willing to share some of my knowledge. Growing up in a marine family, for some reason my dad always raised me to do the right thing and protect people, then turned around and trained me to be a bloody criminal. Picking locks, hotwiring cars, bypassing alarms, moving silently (my mom still hates him for that one) I have a whole suite of knowledge that one normally uses to put themselves on a most wanted list with the local police. its not so much those skills that are bad,actually more people should have them its more about how we use our knowledge and unfortunately those awesome skills are used by and for personal gain at others exspense which tarnishes' them for what they are,which is damn handy to know.Same as fire starting in all its forms,wrong hands devestating right hands lifesaving.whish I,d learnt to pick locks. Do what I did to start. Get a paperclip for the actual pick, then make a tension tool. Get your hands on an old windshield wiper blade, and pull the rubber off of it, you'll find a long thin strip of metal in the blade. Get yourself a pair of pliers and some tinsnips, and cut off about 2-3 inches of it. Bend about a quarter of an inch at either a 45 or 90 degree angle, and you have a tension tool. From there, look up the basics online, and pratice on your own locks. Just make sure you don't lock yourself out of the house while doing so.
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Post by graynomad on Aug 26, 2014 20:56:24 GMT 10
70k in 1 or even 2 days? With a family? You guys must have the fittest family going and a down hill run on smooth ground to the BOL.
I suppose it's possible, after all a brisk walk is about 6kph so that's about 12 hours plus breaks, but how many people can actually do that, especially through the bush.
I remember when I was a member of the ACT bushwalking club there were guys we called "tiger walkers", they could do about 45k in a day (not including the night) through the bush and on tracks but they were serious walkers. Unless your group regularly trains at this I can't see it happening, but I'm prepared to listen to arguments.
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Post by Res-Q on Aug 26, 2014 21:30:25 GMT 10
Many years ago i did the Great North walk from Sydney to Newcastle and went back to do different overnight stages after that. The usual distance covered in a day was 35 klm with a 15 minute stop every hour. This was part of the technique used by Ray Jardine, a serious long distance bushwalker in the U.S. The way he got extra K's out of a day was to stop around 4PM for an hour have dinner, then start walking again in the dark until 10PM then set up camp. He realised a lot of walk time was wasted by stopping in the afternoon and setting up camp for the evening. He added an extra 4 or 5 hours walk time in the dark deleting an extra 20klm from his trip distance each day which considering his walks were 2000 miles or more over a month or so,made a lot of sense.
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Post by Res-Q on Aug 26, 2014 21:35:01 GMT 10
NOTE: For OPSEC reasons ( )70 Klm is just a random number
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Post by graynomad on Aug 27, 2014 9:15:47 GMT 10
OK
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