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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 16, 2014 17:11:45 GMT 10
I'm sorry if this is a topic that's been broached before, but it's a curiosity that I have to indulge.
Has anyone made plans for escaping the major population zones? Does anyone have a skill set to do so?
Let me explain. We all know what we'll do once we're living off the land. Away from ground zero. But what about getting there? The army's cutting off major routes in and out of the city. The Government is on lockdown. THE ZOMBIES ARE COMING! *cough* You get what I'm saying.
What tools and skill sets do you have lined up for the imminent issue at hand? Can you pick a lock/have lockpicks? Hot wire a car? Know where the safest routes in and out of the city are, or a good place to stay low until the majority of the fallout blows over?
And what do you think would be useful skills to have to begin with?
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 16, 2014 17:25:47 GMT 10
My advice would be to avoid living too close to everyone in the first place. Although you have asked a very good question, I'm already where I plan to be so i'm covered to an extent.
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 16, 2014 17:33:29 GMT 10
The problem is, not everyone has that option. My job takes me up and down the Mississippi river, so I have to be centralized for ease of travel. Now, the apartment I live in is close to the river, and on the second floor in case of flooding (and very reasonably priced), but I'm still living in the city. So, as I have more spare time than I know what to do with at work, I plan, and learn. But I'm always curious what others think on the topic.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 16, 2014 18:28:26 GMT 10
So argument sakes middle of the city evac... Not too much different to my personal setup
The best "thoughts" is simply defending my dwelling as long as its worth defending... With multiple escape routes in the plans
But if you can hold out for a few months (3+) then threat level drops, less population = easier to sneak away, darkness is a friend...
but yes there are ways, but my largest suggestion, is blending in, think civi, think refugee...
To skills, lock picking is not me, starting cars via hotwire, I can do but new cars not worth it..
But simple e&e and knowing your environment is a key to escaping it ..
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 16, 2014 18:42:00 GMT 10
Logical. What resources would you put higher in the priority list for city survival until escape is possible? Long term non-perishable food and water is a must, of course, but is there anything you would add that people normally wouldn't think of? And where would you go to find said resources?
Ammo is a common need, but I've got a decent stockpile already (In my line of work, it's kinda required). I also have some of the basics. Paracord, trip wire for setting up traps and the like, batteries, and some really good blades. I'm thinking for holding up in a home, a good idea would be some type of fuel for cooking and heating, depending on the season. Propane or the like. Gas for a generator, but that's situational, in case you're trying to stay low key, a generator would draw too much attention.
Any thoughts on this?
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 16, 2014 19:55:36 GMT 10
You will see on here the start of a power generation project using a 50cal ammo can Ammo is a issue here, and not as high on the list as it should be (even firearms are lacking atm) First priority is a quility inch bag, quility is the key word, unless you have a bol (as the bag is your life) Water is the largest bug in item and needed, urban environment means the ability to stock pile at home Waste is the next challenge, both disposal and hygiene Then food... A good local road map is a must... As most scenarios will have your city/town locked down (there are very few entry/exits points) If you have the space, a bunker needs thought, providing you conceal every aspect of it... But you need to make a solid plan, with your known limits... You know them just by using your eyes and going worse case, the inch bag during a major event needs to stay very close, a fire or overnight raid, where running is better than fighting (the numbers game) you always have a backup
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 16, 2014 20:15:17 GMT 10
Sorry missed the water and food as must comment...
A set date to "leave by if possible" not a kit item but quite important (eg 3 months after event)
Bug in gear, alt cooking (I have a gas burner and coal BBQ,) but resources are quite plenty in this area, mainly wood and burnable rubbish...
Water, with ability to filter, rain is easy to harvest with lack of a better word in a event...
Food, rodents, rats, mice, but learning how to prepare properly will avoid disease (outside bled well and well cooked I got no other ideas)
Kit, I cant imagine there is any difference in kit between the "urban prepper" and the "country prepper"
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 16, 2014 20:35:13 GMT 10
MOST of that I have already set up. But I have a few spare 50 cal boxes lying around, I think I need to look up that generator you were talking about.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 16, 2014 21:10:46 GMT 10
I live in Victoria, eastern suburbs for those in the area. There isn't a large enough military presence in the state to block anything off from anywhere. Nor police for that matter. A few traffic lights lost power around chirnside and lilydale the other week and the cops can only get people out to a couple intersections and the others are left to turn to mayhem.
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Aug 16, 2014 21:20:18 GMT 10
I live in Victoria, eastern suburbs for those in the area. There isn't a large enough military presence in the state to block anything off from anywhere. Nor police for that matter. A few traffic lights lost power around chirnside and lilydale the other week and the cops can only get people out to a couple intersections and the others are left to turn to mayhem. haha, I remember that Aust, was it on the corner of Victoria Rd and Maroondah Hwy? Yeah not a huge presence out here, couple of military facilities on the Eastern side, mainly reserves I think.
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Post by Frank on Aug 16, 2014 22:21:05 GMT 10
Already live on the edge of a regional centre, so probably not much of an issue for me. Multiple routes out of the area, a few decent backroads etc. Would take a large presence to blockade this area, but this post has made me think abit more about it, where to go and what I could do. Can't pick locks or hot wire cars so would be relying solely on my vehicle(s), my home preps and knowing my surrounding area well enough to be able to evacuate/escape if required
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Post by Ausprep on Aug 17, 2014 7:39:47 GMT 10
Just got me thinking..
If you lay out a map and draw a triangle over my suburb, the 3 points are the only way out. Other sides are blocked by swap and rail. Could be s problem.
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Post by Ammo9 on Aug 17, 2014 9:25:11 GMT 10
You have a hilux... improvise roads
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 10:19:53 GMT 10
Just got me thinking.. If you lay out a map and draw a triangle over my suburb, the 3 points are the only way out. Other sides are blocked by swap and rail. Could be s problem. Rail is another possible escape route... But from memory your plans are focused on bugging out ASAP.. As soon as there is wind you be gone.. But 3 points that can be locked down is always a worry, I think i only have a extra 2 points... But my location will be in the second stage of a lockdown (the capatol cities first... Then the smaller "cities" regional oz will be the last if even considered) But local knowledge is one of the most important things to us, there are always exercises that prove that from "north force" to us national guard units But let's face it, if a major life changing event happens, the first thing is mass chaos, there will be lots of looting in major cities, mainly retail stores.. Major highways will be clogged within minutes (think peek hour traffic but more extreme) side roads will be shut down within hours... So timing is everything... But what we know, food distribution stores (retail) will be empty within 3 days, with water shut off, dehydration will be a major issue to most within 24 hours, others within a week, 3 weeks without food people will be useless.. So threat levels start to drop within a month, but the survivors will become a new threat.. And will be armed... (My definition of armed is semi automatic firearms in this case) So this is where things get interesting, where our plans, skills, luck and god are hopefully in our favor.. Conservativly I would give a year or 2 before finding some form of normality, I wish sooner but any event that is on this scale is generation changing... But flip the other side, we have all seen Katrina and its devistaion in the USA, and new orlands is just starting to recover, but population demographic has a large part to play, we have seen the bad side after bushfires and the Brisbane floods but Australia is quite quick to recover (Brisbane has a few scars but overall within weeks the area was back to basic operation) But local knowledge and knowing human nature will improve chances.. Also watching government reactions in all western countries to disasters as it is a accepted model... How au recovered from the Brisbane flood, a lot of lessons were taken from Katrina, some from Oswald, but the west learns from the west...
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Aug 17, 2014 11:50:27 GMT 10
I have a few different evac routes out of our area, including ones that avoid all major roads and highways. I would be relying on our car (can't hotwire) and then foot if necessary. At the moment I've got a rough idea of a trolley/trailer thing that we would use if we had to leave on foot, but it's just ideas at this stage.
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 12:10:47 GMT 10
I have a few different evac routes out of our area, including ones that avoid all major roads and highways. I would be relying on our car (can't hotwire) and then foot if necessary. At the moment I've got a rough idea of a trolley/trailer thing that we would use if we had to leave on foot, but it's just ideas at this stage. I wanna hear more about this cart.. As something similar will be my next project I'm thinking a front to back tandem pram (its long) as the base then start modifying to act as a transport item for supplies... (I know the length is a problem but I have had one before, and they handle half decent) But the key here is use... This gets me, I know I can put luxury camp site items (tent, chairs, air mattress, power, etc)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 13:31:04 GMT 10
I saw a great cart for bug out recently! It was like a rickshaw made of light Aluminum and 5ft carriage wheels and a long draw bar!
Allows them to carry 200-250kg for one person to pull but room for 2 to pull,it was seam welded and floated as well...Very cool.
If I lived near the river like the Captain I would have a large inflatable with a battery motor and a 5hp when safe to use.
If I lived in the City, I would have a safe BOL where I store my supplies with a BOB to get there plus 3months supply at my home! I would leave ASAP, by any means available even on foot if I had too! The same for living in the suburbs!
If I lived near a rail way I would make up some rail wheels like the railway uses on 4x4's, even old rims would work...just a thought!
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Post by pheniox17 on Aug 17, 2014 13:48:35 GMT 10
I think I seen that cart on DDP The thing is tho I'm focused around blending in and when I already have kids a pram is not out of place A cart tho seems too look at me I have something worth pulling along
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 14:01:27 GMT 10
Yep I understand that!!! I think you would need the cart if there was a solar storm or EMP, with kids, or just pushbikes if they are old enough to ride! Just throwing in ideas...
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Post by captaindryfter on Aug 17, 2014 14:30:16 GMT 10
But flip the other side, we have all seen Katrina and its devistaion in the USA, and new orlands is just starting to recover, but population demographic has a large part to play, we have seen the bad side after bushfires and the Brisbane floods but Australia is quite quick to recover (Brisbane has a few scars but overall within weeks the area was back to basic operation) Living in New Orleans, I can tell you the lack of recovery from Katrina has nothing to do with the damage done. Mississippi had almost as much damage, and they were in much better shape than us almost a year later. The slow recovery time is due to several aspects that almost make me sick to call this city home. From politicians stealing from the recovery funds, to the locals spending their recovery money not on actual recovery, but on the casino, or pimping out their car. To make matters worse, I have seen too many outside groups come in with the idea of "Helping rebuild". A noble goal, but they grew jaded and normally left soon after. Would you want to help rebuild a city when the people living in it would rather sit on their front porch, drink, and do drugs while watching you, instead of working side by side with you? Sorry, it's just something that has upset me way too many times, and I tend to rant on it every now and then.
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