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Post by kiwi on Jan 18, 2015 20:07:31 GMT 10
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Post by AKM. on Jan 19, 2015 16:34:13 GMT 10
I guess the question folks really need to ask themselves is- Am I against this purely because of your own Religion- if so, fair enough.
But, for those trying to use the AND IT MAKES STUFF MORE EXPENSIVE!!! argument......
Does this tax increase the price per unit of the item?
Companies utilize Halal, Kosher, indeed many other non-religious, consumer-driven certifications in order to expand into a market they are not accessing otherwise; solely to increase sales.
If the added cost per unit of the certification does not result in increased profit per unit and overall, then the companies would not do it. Basic business principles, and they pay a LOT of attention to this.
So in effect, this 'religious tax', by increasing the sales of the product, and increasing the economies of scale leading to cheaper production, actually could well be making the price of the item cheaper to everybody.
So in effect, those folks complaining about the 'religious taxes' should probably be complaining instead about the 'religious subsidy' instead, where by using certification to expand markets, increase sales, and lower costs.....the complainers are getting a cheaper product.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 19, 2015 20:39:47 GMT 10
And yet again our govt bows' its' knees to another minority, too scared to offend. We get softer, our enemies get stronger!!!
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Post by agriculturalprep on Jan 19, 2015 21:34:25 GMT 10
Halal abattoirs are very degrading to all the work and hard effort agricultural professionals have made the australian beef industry one of the highest sort after meats in the world.
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Post by remnantprep on Jan 20, 2015 8:37:05 GMT 10
I guess the question folks really need to ask themselves is- Am I against this purely because of your own Religion- if so, fair enough. But, for those trying to use the AND IT MAKES STUFF MORE EXPENSIVE!!! argument...... Does this tax increase the price per unit of the item? Companies utilize Halal, Kosher, indeed many other non-religious, consumer-driven certifications in order to expand into a market they are not accessing otherwise; solely to increase sales. If the added cost per unit of the certification does not result in increased profit per unit and overall, then the companies would not do it. Basic business principles, and they pay a LOT of attention to this. So in effect, this 'religious tax', by increasing the sales of the product, and increasing the economies of scale leading to cheaper production, actually could well be making the price of the item cheaper to everybody. So in effect, those folks complaining about the 'religious taxes' should probably be complaining instead about the 'religious subsidy' instead, where by using certification to expand markets, increase sales, and lower costs.....the complainers are getting a cheaper product. I think some people are concerned that some of the money for these products are being used to fund terror groups!
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 20, 2015 10:24:09 GMT 10
Cant remember writing that in my post Jay - below is what I wrote "Hi Thought this was an interesting clip www.halalchoices.com.au" No, accidently made it a quote from you - my bad. That was my quote people, not kiwis. Post deleted to avoid confusion.
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Jan 20, 2015 16:56:28 GMT 10
Cant remember writing that in my post Jay - below is what I wrote "Hi Thought this was an interesting clip www.halalchoices.com.au" No, accidently made it a quote from you - my bad. That was my quote people, not kiwis. Post deleted to avoid confusion. LMFAO I hate it when that happens, sometimes once you click on that quote box it wont let you back out of it either. Anyway I am in the group Remmy mentioned. I dislike the idea that the money could be used to fund terror groups. Also I dislike the way they treat the "non HALAL" portions of the business like freight. They are demanding freight companies become HALAL? Blow it, I have dropped almost all of my favorite foods because of this, at least they can't take beer away from me
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Post by Fractus on Jan 20, 2015 19:44:23 GMT 10
Bacon and ham are safe. So we have beer, chips, bacon and quail eggs.
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Post by Peter on Jan 20, 2015 20:21:29 GMT 10
Danny me lad, I havr some potentially troubling news for you... Coopers pays for halal certification on malt products they sell. It depends if you boycott the entire range of a producer if only some items are certified. .
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Post by Peter on Jan 20, 2015 20:23:10 GMT 10
Cascade also has some halal cert products..
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Post by Frank on Jan 20, 2015 20:34:07 GMT 10
That sucks that brewers are heading that way too, Mr Pete. Time for to start on the home brew again or a still.....hmmmmm
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 20, 2015 20:43:07 GMT 10
As long as Boags stays halal free, I'll keep the company afloat!!!
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Post by Mrs Pete on Jan 20, 2015 23:32:12 GMT 10
I have been following this group (halal choices) on facebook and it has been quite revealing just how much is now halal certified, whether labelled or not. Even non food items are now getting certified, eg. toothbrushes, soap and cosmetics. It is really quite disturbing. The question is, where is the money going? Simply going to line the pockets of the certifiers is as much a problem as being diverted to terrorist groups would be as the certifiers would likely be donating to Islamic organizations. The deeper you look into it the more worrying it becomes. I have seen a number of links to Islamic websites which basically proclaim that they will take over western countries through Halal certification and gradual introduction of other elements of sharia law. THAT bothers me greatly. Check out this link for starters... www.worldhalalcouncil.com/non-muslims-can-never-interfere-in-muslims-halal-food.html
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Post by AKM. on Jan 25, 2015 21:08:35 GMT 10
My thoughts are- if it was truly going to fund terrorism, then the LNP and their mates would be all over it like a rash. It would be political gold for the conservative parties, and folks like Andrew Bolt would be sitting on a roof crowing like a rooster on dawn patrol. The fact that they aren't leads me to think that there is no hard evidence- and given the resources of .Gov and the skill of the muck-rakers(of all parties, left and right) if it was there, it would be found.
I just ask myself- what are we missing while they go on about Halal?
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2015 21:34:06 GMT 10
My thoughts are- if it was truly going to fund terrorism, then the LNP and their mates would be all over it like a rash. It would be political gold for the conservative parties, and folks like Andrew Bolt would be sitting on a roof crowing like a rooster on dawn patrol. The fact that they aren't leads me to think that there is no hard evidence- and given the resources of .Gov and the skill of the muck-rakers(of all parties, left and right) if it was there, it would be found. I just ask myself- what are we missing while they go on about Halal? The problem the that purchasers of halal certification are prevented from disclosing the amounts psid, and no information is shared regarding the ultimate destination of the funds. The LNP won't mention anything as no concrete stats are asvailable; they know they'll be asked to provide evidence which doesn't exist.
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Post by Peter on Jan 25, 2015 21:36:49 GMT 10
I truly dislike the typos I make on my smartphone...
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 25, 2015 21:37:02 GMT 10
What would happen if Christians demanded a label that said "OK for Christians to consume" ?? Kosher foods - isn't that foods that are ok for practicing Jews to eat??? Maybe I should put Halal stickers on my .303 ammo - "These rounds are ok for consumption by radical terrorists"
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Post by SA Hunter on Jan 25, 2015 21:38:52 GMT 10
I truly dislike the typos I make on my smartphone... Someone asked me if I had a smartphone - I said " Sure, my old Nokia is pretty smart, I press some numbers, they ring, and someone usually talk to me on the other end!" Apparently that's not what they meant!!
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Jan 26, 2015 9:56:41 GMT 10
What would happen if Christians demanded a label that said "OK for Christians to consume" ?? Kosher foods - isn't that foods that are ok for practicing Jews to eat??? Maybe I should put Halal stickers on my .303 ammo - "These rounds are ok for consumption by radical terrorists" Thing is Jay, Christian and Jewish people seem to have no issues reading the label and ingredients and knowing what they can and cannot eat. I'm not saying other group can't I have just noticed this to be generally true amongst those groups.
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Post by AKM. on Jan 28, 2015 22:28:01 GMT 10
What would happen if Christians demanded a label that said "OK for Christians to consume" ?? Kosher foods - isn't that foods that are ok for practicing Jews to eat??? Maybe I should put Halal stickers on my .303 ammo - "These rounds are ok for consumption by radical terrorists" Thing is Jay, Christian and Jewish people seem to have no issues reading the label and ingredients and knowing what they can and cannot eat. I'm not saying other group can't I have just noticed this to be generally true amongst those groups. Last I heard, Kosher was Jewish, Jay; so they do demand it Not all of course, I worked with a lady who was Jewish, but ate bacon. She was only worried about certification when she had seriously orthodox folks around that she was cooking for. That, or she crossed her fingers when they asked if it was Kosher...... I reckon if folks demanded a label that said "OK for Christians to consume" and it was a viable market, then such labeling would happen. And some chucklehead or other would make a buck of the back of it.
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