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Post by spatial on Apr 18, 2017 16:41:19 GMT 10
Had an add today on youtube channel for Nat Geographic doomsday preppers. Was looking at their web page and came across the scoring method that they use. Their scoring is very conservative, but does ask interesting questions to consider. Despite having 12 months of food and water, medical etc,, garden and plenty of hunting stuff I only got 4-8 months initial survival. channel.nationalgeographic.com/doomsday-preppers/interactives/how-prepped-are-you1/
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Post by landy on Apr 18, 2017 18:38:45 GMT 10
I got 2-4 months. Seems I have some work to do. Lol
My weaknesses were food, medical, defensive training and not enough ammo.
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Post by Peter on Apr 18, 2017 19:07:20 GMT 10
My result was 1-2 months, based on a shortage of water and lack of training. Which I already knew.
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Post by shinester on Apr 18, 2017 20:05:48 GMT 10
4-8 months. - not having large amounts of meat and veg/fruit is letting me down, though that's based on false assumptions about nutrition. 8-12 months. - If I make up for the flaws in the survey due to missing details or incorrect aspects.
Of course it's quite flawed - food, you don't need 'meat' and 'veggies'. What you need is a balanced source of protein and vitamins, your body doesn't care about the type of food, it's the macro and micro nutrients that matter. So in my case I have a great deal of food in kits that is fairly balanced, food in the cupboards that's quite a variety, and older stores in buckets that's not balanced out at all, but adds quite a good amount of time. The reality of having about 3 years of food for 2, with a reasonable variety, vitamins and so on ought to have topped out that score. The food quantity is there to be able to provide additional people [security] in reality, though that would depend greatly on circumstances. - water, it doesn't include rain storage, that 1/4 of households in the country have and if you have a normal sized roof in most areas of the the country you'll have more than enough to drink. Perhaps not enough to grow food. I'd call it the most reliable and safe renewable water supply, as easy as cutting the guttering and sticking a drum under it. - fuel for heating. In most of the country, it's nice to be warm, but if you have warm clothes and bedding you could get away without heating no prob. - fuel for cooking. Why you need hundreds of gallons to cook, I'm really not sure? Other options such as alcohol stoves [my main option and kept with kits] isn't there and if you do one big meal a day [500g pasta lets say] then that's only about 80mls/day if you're stretching it. 1 Gallon = 47 days at that rate. Same goes with propane for cooking, you need to have 209 gal of propane to get +1 shelter. You're kidding me, a 8.5kg bottle is about 16L of fuel, so you need 13 of them to score only +1, I think not, that's enough for years of cooking.
Here's the scoring from the show by the guy who did it. There's some flaws here too, though the thing about all of this is I like that it gives you 'some' idea as to where you might want to focus and I'm all for that and I think it's useful. Having watched this ages ago, I made some adjustments to my approach to prepping because of it.
I think we should make up our own scoring sheet based loosely on this, though allowing for the obvious 'success' caveats already mentioned. As Frostbite said, having a river through your property is a pretty reliable source of water and endless, assuming it never goes dry. Having various means of filtration etc would be useful as redundancy, though they ought to only add a small percentage after the main filtration.
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Post by spatial on Apr 19, 2017 11:40:28 GMT 10
I've not seen my river run dry in the 10 years I've owned the property, and it narrows to rapids inside my northern boundary which provides a natural filter. That river runs 24hrs a day, 365 days a year, providing more than enough water. I adjoin national park upsteam, so there's no users to tap into it before it reaches me. None of this is given proper weight in the survey. I adjusted some of my scores due to things like rain water catch. Using the strict scoring I would of only got 2-4 months initial survival. They say in most disasters if one can make the first 72h you have a high chance of survival. Also in Australia I don't see gun fights breaking out where one needs thousand of rounds of ammo. If you go to any gun club the majority of shooters are in the pension age group not the kind of marauders they are envisaging in the US. Lost score on security (only have 4 guns and a few thousand rounds of 22LR), and shelter (no bunker or safe room, no equipped bug out option), communication only have two small hand held walkie talkie that I got from ALDI. I also lack barter items. It is a useful reality check.
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Post by Pasta Deefa on Apr 19, 2017 12:47:40 GMT 10
2-4 weeks based on my current food supply. I think it is a pretty realistic appraisal. Up until recently I have only stockpiled food, water, fuel, etc based on a 7 day natural disaster with the option to pack up and move to an alternant location.
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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 19, 2017 14:37:41 GMT 10
2-4 weeks
Water and Food were seen as my weaknesses - I find it kind of odd where I have 12 months worth of calories for the three of us and 200+ litres of bottled water in the basement, a Berkey and water purification tabs for 2+ years
I scored well on medical and X-factor, but not having guns and ammo were an issue.
I went back and maxed out every answer except the guns and ammo and the max score you can achieve is 8-12 months without guns and ammo
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Post by ziggysdad on Apr 19, 2017 14:51:41 GMT 10
4-8 months. - not having large amounts of meat and veg/fruit is letting me down, though that's based on false assumptions about nutrition. 8-12 months. - If I make up for the flaws in the survey due to missing details or incorrect aspects. Of course it's quite flawed - food, you don't need 'meat' and 'veggies'. What you need is a balanced source of protein and vitamins, your body doesn't care about the type of food, it's the macro and micro nutrients that matter. So in my case I have a great deal of food in kits that is fairly balanced, food in the cupboards that's quite a variety, and older stores in buckets that's not balanced out at all, but adds quite a good amount of time. The reality of having about 3 years of food for 2, with a reasonable variety, vitamins and so on ought to have topped out that score. The food quantity is there to be able to provide additional people [security] in reality, though that would depend greatly on circumstances. - water, it doesn't include rain storage, that 1/4 of households in the country have and if you have a normal sized roof in most areas of the the country you'll have more than enough to drink. Perhaps not enough to grow food. I'd call it the most reliable and safe renewable water supply, as easy as cutting the guttering and sticking a drum under it. - fuel for heating. In most of the country, it's nice to be warm, but if you have warm clothes and bedding you could get away without heating no prob. - fuel for cooking. Why you need hundreds of gallons to cook, I'm really not sure? Other options such as alcohol stoves [my main option and kept with kits] isn't there and if you do one big meal a day [500g pasta lets say] then that's only about 80mls/day if you're stretching it. 1 Gallon = 47 days at that rate. Same goes with propane for cooking, you need to have 209 gal of propane to get +1 shelter. You're kidding me, a 8.5kg bottle is about 16L of fuel, so you need 13 of them to score only +1, I think not, that's enough for years of cooking. Here's the scoring from the show by the guy who did it. There's some flaws here too, though the thing about all of this is I like that it gives you 'some' idea as to where you might want to focus and I'm all for that and I think it's useful. Having watched this ages ago, I made some adjustments to my approach to prepping because of it. I think we should make up our own scoring sheet based loosely on this, though allowing for the obvious 'success' caveats already mentioned. As Frostbite said, having a river through your property is a pretty reliable source of water and endless, assuming it never goes dry. Having various means of filtration etc would be useful as redundancy, though they ought to only add a small percentage after the main filtration. Thinking about homes in the US - if you answer that you have propane to cook food, they are assuming you have a 500 gallon propane tank outside your house (I do back in NH) - they aren't thinking about cooking on the BBQ or a burner attached to a propane bottle. Rain storage is VERY uncommon in the US, but freshwater lakes, ponds, rivers and streams are much more common. Is QLD (Brisbane specifically) temperate? Or Hot? They had a cactus next to hot, so they are thinking Arizona, Nevada, NW Texas in the US - not places that get 1200 mm of rain a year. The Meat and Veggies was a bit mystifying to me as well. They don't ask about vitamins, calories, fats, etc. - just pounds of meat/grains and servings of veggies/fruit and MREs. Where do you stores of UHT milk, Butter, Gatorade, Juice, Sugar, Honey, Snickers, etc. get accounted for?
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Post by Morgo on Apr 19, 2017 16:15:25 GMT 10
1-2 months, probably a reasonable estimate though I think I could get longer. As it says food is my weak point, just don't have the storage capabilities to stock months and months worth at present. The second half of the quiz I did much better in with lots of ticks and max slider bars
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Post by remnantprep on Apr 19, 2017 16:21:01 GMT 10
Mine was strong on water and food but weak on security! 1-2 months but I really dont have a good count of how much food etc I have.
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Post by Joey on Apr 19, 2017 16:47:07 GMT 10
1-2mths, because I got bugger all water and not enough food. The joys of living in a small unit with no space to store anything
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Post by shinester on Apr 19, 2017 23:46:00 GMT 10
Here's the original score card from the show as done by Southernprepper1 and detailed in the above video. He does mention that it'ssubjective and some of these are vague descriptions that would have to be weighed up. Having 15 firearms and no ammunition at all might be a problem for instance. So perhaps rate yourself, historically I found this to be useful to make sure I didn't put all of my eggs in one basket.
Food - 20 total Stored food - 10 points • 12 months of a variety of stored food, 9240kj/person = 10 • 12 months of boring food [rice & beans] 9
Resupply foods - 5 points • Garden/greenhouse • Orchard • Livestock • Fish • Growing garden now? • 1 packet of seed is not enough!
Preserving resupply - 5 points • 3 different = 5 pts • canning - 100 jars/person! • salting • freezing • dehydrating • smoking • root cellar
Water - 20 total Stored water - 10 points • 90 day = 4ltrs/person/day • not swimming pool • not renewable water
Resupply - 5 pts - must be onsite • River • Pond • Lake • Spring • Well • Rain catchment, enough for gardens too?
Purify water - 5 pts 3 of = 5 pts • Boiling • Pasteurizing • Bleach/Pool Shock • Ceramic filters
Shelter [& security] - 20 points Location - 4 points • city • suburban • country • population density • isolation tends to get a 4
Shelter - 3 points • Bunker/safe room 3pts • basement 1pts • root cellar 1pt
Power Generation/Fuel Storage - 4 points • Solar • Hydro • Wind • Gasification • Steam • Generator • close to 1000litres of fuel for generator = 4 pts • more you have, the more fuel the higher
Heating/cooling - 3pts • Enough fuel, wood? • Porches for cooling? • Designed for cooling naturally?
Cooking - 3 pts • Woodstove [4pts] • Rocket Stove • Propane with enough fuel • Outside campfire
Bug out location - 3pts • Some supplies? • Secured? • Could be isolated?
Security - 20 points Training/experience 5 pts • Military • Law Enforcement • Personal Protection Training - good training schools/learn from friends/self taught
Firearms - 5pts • Quality and Quantity • Ammunition • Accessories • Improvised
Security Enhancement - 5 pts • Night Vision • Thermal • Alarm System • Body Armor • NBC Protection • Fortification
Network/Survival Group - 5 pts • 1 point for good friends non-preppers • 5 points for quality preppers
X-Factor - 20 points Medical - 4 pts • Supplies • Training • Doctor/Nurse/Dentist/Vet
Communication - 4 pts • Ham • CB • FMRS/GMRS • Field Phones • Training
Bug out Vehicle - 4 pts • 4WD [4pts] • Large/Cargo • Regular Vehicle
Barter Items - 4 pts • Stored items everyday consumables • gold/silver • Renewable Source - best
X Factor - 4 pts • Special item or skill the prepper has that makes them stand out and also gives them an edge
========================== 10 points - I have a great deal of food and half of it has reasonable macro and micro nutrition. Resupply foods - 2 points Preserving resupply - 4 points - many types, could do with more jars [wifey hates how many I have lol] Stored water - 6 points Resupply - 3 pts - rain catchement with drums on downpipes, more than enough to drink, not enough to water gardens properly. Alternative sources of water nearby with means of cartage available. Purify water - 5 pts - got many ways Location - 3 points - rural town Shelter - 0 points Power Generation/Fuel Storage - 2 points • Solar [need more panels] Heating/cooling - 3pts - Designed for cooling naturally? - not too hot or too cold here, could run fans with solar, not essential Cooking - 3 pts • Propane with enough fuel • Outside campfire • Alcohol burner <- all of my food kits have enough fuel for the food in them • microwave Bug out location - 3pts Training/experience 2 pts Firearms - 5pts Security Enhancement - 3 pts • Night Vision • Fortification / basic • Many electronic trip devices of a couple of kinds 5 points for quality preppers Medical - 2 pts • Supplies / some basic training Communication - 3 pts • Many CB, working on this area Bug out Vehicle - 2 pts • Regular Vehicle & plenty of fuel Barter Items - 2 pts • Stored items everyday consumables [some] • Renewable Source - recharging devices X Factor - 4 pts • Mental health expert
72 points. I did this ages ago and got about 30, so I've come along way.
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Post by fei on Apr 20, 2017 14:32:36 GMT 10
2-4 weeks Water and Food were seen as my weaknesses - I find it kind of odd where I have 12 months worth of calories for the three of us and 200+ litres of bottled water in the basement, a Berkey and water purification tabs for 2+ years I scored well on medical and X-factor, but not having guns and ammo were an issue. I went back and maxed out every answer except the guns and ammo and the max score you can achieve is 8-12 months without guns and ammo 2 - 4 weeks for me too. I think I only got that much due to having a prepper group, well-stocked BOL and good easy access to a large river.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 0:50:07 GMT 10
frostbite I hope you have considered a micro hydro power plant for your creek as it sounds like it is running to waste at present.
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Post by token on Apr 21, 2017 19:27:53 GMT 10
I got 1-2 months, yet my retreat has permanant river frontage, unlimited timber for heating and cooking, a reasonable supply of fresh meat and the ability to farm meat, I have hundreds of kg of food stored, 2 of my group are ex army, most of us can head shoot rabbits out to 400m any and every day of the week, and we have more than enough guns and ammo. Stupid survey. bahahaha, cracked up when i read this, yep, 100% agree, 'Stupid survey', not even going to bother. Your comments reveal you have what you need to survive for a very long time in basic conditions. Simple.
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