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Post by doglovingjim on Sept 24, 2018 23:41:05 GMT 10
Does anyone have experience with security cameras? Preferences?
At the moment I'm looking at one pack that's wireless and connected to the internet router and another that is cabled and has a hard-drive to collect footage, just looking through all the pros and cons with each.
(E.g. what if internet goes out? What if they destroy the hard-drive etc etc)
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Post by tomatoes on Sept 25, 2018 7:31:02 GMT 10
Does anyone have experience with security cameras? Preferences? At the moment I'm looking at one pack that's wireless and connected to the internet router and another that is cabled and has a hard-drive to collect footage, just looking through all the pros and cons with each. (E.g. what if internet goes out? What if they destroy the hard-drive etc etc) You could set the hard drive one to automatically back up in a cloud, although I don’t suppose that would be real time, so wouldn’t help if you wanted footage of the thieves who stole the hard drive. You could check if it’s possible to set the wired camera to save to anything other than the hard drive. I would get the wired one as we often have wireless turned off here, but I understand most people don’t do that. If there’s any way of doing it without using the internet that would be my preference. I find the internet to be very unreliable. If you have found something like that I’d love to see a link. When I looked a little while ago just about everything was wireless.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 25, 2018 8:23:27 GMT 10
Does anyone have experience with security cameras? Preferences? At the moment I'm looking at one pack that's wireless and connected to the internet router and another that is cabled and has a hard-drive to collect footage, just looking through all the pros and cons with each. (E.g. what if internet goes out? What if they destroy the hard-drive etc etc) Anything hooked to the internet I guess is able to be tapped/hacked from outside. Wireless stuff can probably be jammed fairly easily? I did a bit of research a while back and saw drone jammers for sale. Unfortunately this sort of techy stuff is getting easier to get. Hard wired camera separate from the internet seems a good option with minimum downside?
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Post by paranoia on Sept 25, 2018 14:17:31 GMT 10
Interesting conversation... Good to see people have different intuitions to myself, makes things worth discussing!
To me the discussion can end up too open ended and we end up talking about different things. Talk of hacking and jamming devices leads me to think people have cameras for very different reasons to me. Who exactly is going to be hacking/jamming your personal security system?
The solution for my situation is a 4 drive NAS (synology ds415 for those interested) which holds 4 hdds in a raid to eliminate loss from hdd failure. The NAS is sold with a licence to cast a feed online which can be accessed with the appropiate login credentials. Further licences up to 20 can be aquired.
This allows me to 'check in' remotely and see what is going on at the camera, can also record when there is movement and save it to the raid. This can also be backed up to a cloud if you were so inclined.
Why do you have a camera and how high of a profile do you have will change many answers to this discussion I feel.
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Post by Morgo on Sept 25, 2018 16:44:32 GMT 10
I see professional systems as hard wired systems with back up HDDs for the footage.
Wireless systems are, IMO, amateur systems for convenience/simplicity.
If your worried about the recording unit/HDD's being stolen mount the recording device into a safe.
Having to charge the batteries or otherwise supply power to the "wireless" units is enough of a reason to go a traditional system from the start.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 25, 2018 20:16:51 GMT 10
Talk of hacking and jamming devices leads me to think people have cameras for very different reasons to me. Who exactly is going to be hacking/jamming your personal security system? A crim who knows and uses tech tools effectively. Admittedly this is likely more of an issue for someone who lives in a property/location that looks 'wealthy' or, known to/suspected of, contain something 'valuable'.
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Post by Peter on Sept 25, 2018 21:45:31 GMT 10
Be careful about battery life for wireless systems... I've heard a lot of mixed reports.
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Post by SA Hunter on Sept 25, 2018 23:23:32 GMT 10
I put a photo of the mother-in-law on every door & window. Never needed a security system since! Even keeps the bugs away!!!!!
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Post by paranoia on Sept 26, 2018 0:34:40 GMT 10
Talk of hacking and jamming devices leads me to think people have cameras for very different reasons to me. Who exactly is going to be hacking/jamming your personal security system? A crim who knows and uses tech tools effectively. Admittedly this is likely more of an issue for someone who lives in a property/location that looks 'wealthy' or, known to/suspected of, contain something 'valuable'. Look fair enough, I'm probably just making assumptions about the cost/benefits that a person who was smart enough to use such technology would be able to make. I just think you'd have to look like a particularly juicy target or would have told the wrong things to the wrong people for it to get to a point where someone was doing a mission impossible on your home security system instead of donning a hoodie and with a stocking over their head. All I can think of is the south park episode where the high tech crims rob a burger king... I think it can be worth putting some money into some cameras but beyond a really basic system I feel you're far better off putting that money into physical barriers such as security screens/shutters. Trying to bullet proof a system that is really only useful for legally getting revenge on a perp (monitored systems are obviously a different ball game but most seem to be talking about recording to hdd for use later) It really does come down to what your intentions are and what value you place on having a home movie of the people who robbed you, so you can relive it after the fact.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 26, 2018 13:35:37 GMT 10
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Post by evilwookie on Oct 3, 2018 17:50:31 GMT 10
Be careful about battery life for wireless systems... I've heard a lot of mixed reports. Agreed , I do install burglar alarms with hardwire or wireless detectors. Depending on the ease of installation for wiring, be it either detectors or cameras I would go for wired if possible, as the batteries only normally last around a year on detectors (not sure on cameras )
Also its easy to kill the power or even snip your internet line to the house and you lose your internet ..... So a wired camera with HDD is the best with an IP camera also/ capability (can be acquired cheap for a basic standalone with SD card )
Standalone IP camera cheap
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Post by grumble on Oct 30, 2018 17:58:48 GMT 10
I have a simple system of 4 cameras and several magnetic switches The sysem has its own stand alone 4g phone and can run on home wifi if something trips the magnet switches my phone gets a text msg alerting me which one has been tripped I log into my cameras and review the situation and either call the police and tell them I have unwelcome guests or I ignore the alarm and reset it or I hit the panic button which sets off the howler alarm inside my house that is friggen loud and it makes you howl
ontop of that I have several game cameras with sim cards in them that alert me when they have captured something like people sneaking in the back way to steal wood to sell
Just one word of advice don't ever put a camera anyway that it might accidently incriminate you and back it up to an offsite storage location for an example you have a beer in your hand and open your gun safe to show your mate your new pistol and it just happens your mate isn't allowed to own let alone touch firearms and your trusty camera films it all the next day the local police are ding their rounds and checking safes and asks to check your camera is working and what do they happen to see whoops
*before anyone legal eagle jizzes in their pants I don't support mixing beer and guns nor letting unauthorised persons play with guns especially ones that are not allowed to own them*
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Post by Joey on Oct 30, 2018 19:08:06 GMT 10
I would look at a totally wireless system for my house, simply because I rent and would get in trouble for drilling holes in the roof/walls to run cables. In my town it's only junkies looking for easy pickings to feed their next hit to really worry about
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Post by milspec on Oct 31, 2018 20:26:12 GMT 10
I acquired some wireless battery powered cameras recently and they suck. They barely last 3 days. They only work with Swann software on a phone (no pc access) and they struggle to pick up the home wifi despite being very close to it. Conclusion - complete waste of money. Oh and by the time they detect and commence recording an intruder the person is already in the middle of the field of regard so the opportunity to see their face approaching has passed Grrrr.
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Post by VegHead on Nov 3, 2018 17:57:26 GMT 10
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Post by hd1340 on Nov 3, 2018 19:44:28 GMT 10
I've had a couple of wired Swann systems cameras are pretty average will look at something better next time round with ability to zoom in
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Post by Peter on Nov 3, 2018 20:30:47 GMT 10
I've used Swann wired systems at work in the past... very poor image quality.
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