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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 24, 2018 8:47:58 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 24, 2018 8:55:43 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 24, 2018 8:56:12 GMT 10
Leases on Port of Darwin & Melbourne.......
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Post by spinifex on Oct 24, 2018 16:04:22 GMT 10
There certainly are precedents Frostbite. During the Major famines in Ireland and India in the 1800's lots of agricultural produce was still being exported to England.
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Post by Beno on Oct 24, 2018 17:45:18 GMT 10
thats the fee market for ya. Aussies are stupid enough to believe it.
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Post by Peter on Oct 24, 2018 20:16:25 GMT 10
On Sunday I went to the Fremantle Markets for the first time in years.
I remember going there as a child; the greengrocer's stalls were all staffed by southern Europeans. Now they're all staffed by Asian folks, and there are (of course) more Asian style vegetables available.
I have no problem with this, but it's certainly interesting to see. I know people who were raised by European market gardeners; their parents worked hard so their kids could have it better (education in particular). Now these younger generations have moved on to be replaced in these jobs by immigrants - just as the European immigrants took over the jobs decades ago.
On the local, small-scale stage I think it's a case of swings & roundabouts...
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Post by norseman on Oct 27, 2018 6:26:44 GMT 10
Latest recruiting film for the PLA, eye opening!
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Post by bce1 on Oct 27, 2018 8:59:24 GMT 10
In the future Australians will starve because large amounts of food grown locally on Chinese owned farms will be sent to China. I completely agree Frostbite - its the same here in NZ - purchasing large Dairy operations, sheep and beef farms and several big water bottling plants. When resources become scarce world over, I imagine the PLA will take exception if .NZ decides to nationalise them !! But the prevailing view is international investment like this is a good thing. Go to Samoa or Fiji and see the amount of investment China is putting it - primarily to access local fishing stocks. We are selling our souls. BCE
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Post by spinifex on Oct 27, 2018 17:20:51 GMT 10
Interesting to see a Chinese recruitment video. They look the same the world over.
Real world war now looks like this: It doesn't require ranks of heroic men ... just a bunch of administrators who will activate launches.
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Post by norseman on Oct 28, 2018 7:51:07 GMT 10
Interesting to see a Chinese recruitment video. They look the same the world over. Real world war now looks like this: It doesn't require ranks of heroic men ... just a bunch of administrators who will activate launches. There is a theme is there though, for me the underlying message is that they are mustering / require new recruits for an upcoming "event".
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Post by spinifex on Oct 28, 2018 9:05:51 GMT 10
Assuming the subtitles are kosher, it does have that sniff about it.
Russia is doing similar things too.
Lets face it; with Washington wiping is arse on world treaties and damaging its foreign relations (including with its allies) all over the world ... perhaps we should be doing the same?
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Post by jonasparker on Oct 29, 2018 4:18:07 GMT 10
Assuming the subtitles are kosher, it does have that sniff about it. Russia is doing similar things too. Lets face it; with Washington wiping is arse on world treaties and damaging its foreign relations (including with its allies) all over the world ... perhaps we should be doing the same? Washington is wiping it's arse on world treaties mostly because these treaties are a case of "heads we win, tails the US loses". Why should the American taxpayer be sending money to "allies" that don't like us anyway? Why should the US military be tasked with defending Europe, 73 years after the end of WWII? Why are we sending foreign aid to China? Guess what! Christmas is over, and Santa Clause has left the building! Should you all be doing the same? Damn right you should!
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Post by norseman on Oct 29, 2018 7:56:43 GMT 10
jonasparker
Not interested in a chest beating exercise, however that's a very Americentric, simplistic view of the wider Global picture. The US never gets into any kind of deal unless there is something in it for America! No different to any other country including Australia. Only my opinion, but I say a lot of your problems are internal and homegrown they are not as a result of World treaties gone bad.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 29, 2018 18:43:57 GMT 10
Assuming the subtitles are kosher, it does have that sniff about it. Russia is doing similar things too. Lets face it; with Washington wiping is arse on world treaties and damaging its foreign relations (including with its allies) all over the world ... perhaps we should be doing the same? Washington is wiping it's arse on world treaties mostly because these treaties are a case of "heads we win, tails the US loses". Why should the American taxpayer be sending money to "allies" that don't like us anyway? Why should the US military be tasked with defending Europe, 73 years after the end of WWII? Why are we sending foreign aid to China? Guess what! Christmas is over, and Santa Clause has left the building! Should you all be doing the same? Damn right you should! You should definitely ask Washington those questions. I'd be quite happy to see Oz invest in developing a proper national defense capability including nuclear weaponry so we don't HAVE to rely on the US taxpayer ... but ... Washington would brand us terrorists and start slapping sanctions all over us. US ruling class just wants to shake down everyone for 'protection' and break the legs of any country that doesn't want to do that.
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Post by jonasparker on Oct 30, 2018 3:00:26 GMT 10
"I'd be quite happy to see Oz invest in developing a proper national defense capability including nuclear weaponry so we don't HAVE to rely on the US taxpayer ... but ... Washington would brand us terrorists and start slapping sanctions all over us."
Actually, both the current administration and almost all thinking Americans would be ecstatic, brand you all as great friends, and start slapping sanctions (not that they seem to do much good) on your enemies. The "ruling class" in Washington is hanging on by their fingernails right now in the middle of a populist revolt.
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Post by spinifex on Oct 30, 2018 17:46:42 GMT 10
"I'd be quite happy to see Oz invest in developing a proper national defense capability including nuclear weaponry so we don't HAVE to rely on the US taxpayer ... but ... Washington would brand us terrorists and start slapping sanctions all over us."Actually, both the current administration and almost all thinking Americans would be ecstatic, brand you all as great friends, and start slapping sanctions (not that they seem to do much good) on your enemies. The "ruling class" in Washington is hanging on by their fingernails right now in the middle of a populist revolt. Excellent. What is the right replacement for the current crowd of ruling class over there? Or are you happy with Biff from Back to the Future? I gotta say I'm finding the choices in Oz rather dismal in recent years. We need a new party here too. One that is bigger on providing the essential public services at sensible cost and less about handing out plump tax funded contracts, consultancies and subsidies to their private sector cronies. It'd also be real nice if the domestic price of Australian natural gas was a bit lower than what they pay for it in Japan and Korea. I'd also like to see Oz regain it's former electricity affordability rank ... 10 years ago we had some of the cheapest power supply in the OECD. Recently I read my home state is second most expensive in the world.
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Post by Pion on Oct 30, 2018 20:34:55 GMT 10
Thatd be the same 'privatization' bs NZ got dished up...made the rich a lot richer and then all got sold offshore...smart, if your rich...
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Post by fei on Nov 11, 2018 2:40:11 GMT 10
Assuming the subtitles are kosher, it does have that sniff about it. Russia is doing similar things too. Lets face it; with Washington wiping is arse on world treaties and damaging its foreign relations (including with its allies) all over the world ... perhaps we should be doing the same? I just watched the video. The subtitles are correct, but the "analysis" provided by the guy is pretty much BS. The part with the general talking about America basically left our the main point - the general said that if the US attacks the Chinese mainland with missiles, they will retaliate with nukes that will take out a hundred US cities. Not quite what this guy said. The other stuff he said about China defeating the US in Vietnam basically ignored the fact that the Viets also defeated the French, and just said it was the Chinese (who the Viets have always hated). The thing to remember about this type of video is both that all countries make them, and that also Chinese are taught pretty much from birth that China is continually under attack from foreign forces. Everything is portrayed in an ultra-patriotic way, with the country having to struggle and fight against the big bad outsiders who are always plotting to harm China. Also note that Xi Jinping pops up a lot, emphasising that he is in charge and leading the army and country.
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Post by spinifex on Nov 11, 2018 7:44:19 GMT 10
Thanks Fei, Much appreciated. It's good to have someone on here with a proper knowledge of China.
"Chinese are taught pretty much from birth that China is continually under attack from foreign forces. Everything is portrayed in an ultra-patriotic way, with the country having to struggle and fight against the big bad outsiders who are always plotting to harm China."
This is an interesting point you make. From the outside ... It looks like the prominent sentiment in Washington regarding the USA. They display signs of believing they are constantly facing existential threats.
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Post by Pion on Nov 11, 2018 19:28:19 GMT 10
The whole 'constantly under attack', 'taught from birth' thing is a reoccuring communist theme...and why the West will never get any purchase on telling communist peoples the truth about their own governments subversion of foreign countries way of life, large and small...they simply dont give a rats...
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