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Post by shinester on Sept 17, 2020 13:42:16 GMT 10
Southernprepper1 and Engineer774 [youtube] were the evaluators for the show doomsday preppers. I like to look over the recommendations from time to time to see where I am and help hone in on weaknesses. The video is here and I thought I'd write up the approximate points so people can do their own evaluations of where they live and potential bug out locations.
Stored Food - 10 points. 10 points if 12 months of 9200kj/person/day of varied food 9 points if 12 months of 9200kj/person/day of low variety, aka beans and rice
Resupply Food - 5 points - Garden/greenhouse, Orchard, Livestock, Fish 5 points if near self sustaining Enough Seeds? Fertilizer? Pest control?
Irrigation?
Skills?
Freezing - with sustainable power
Dehydrating - off grid
Smoking Canning - He says 100 jars/person, the chart below [Granny Miller] suggests 1530/family of 4. Extra lids/supplies for extended period Stored Water10 points - 360L/person - 90 days of water per person. Water resupply5 points - river, pond, lake, Spring, Well, Rain Catchment.
- Must be within a short walk.
Water purification 5 points - many methods, redundancy. 3 boiling and filter - boiling, pasteurizing, bleach/Pool shock, Ceramic filters
Shelter - Location 4 - isolation, not near highway, where in country, low pop density. 2-3 most
Shelter - Basement/Root Cellar/Safe room. 3 - underground bunker 1 - root cellar/basement
Shelter - Power generation/fuel 4 - more fuel/power available more points Solar, hydro, wind, gasification, steam, generator.
Shelter - Heating/cooling [if needed] 3 - wood/renewable - insulation/heating cooling as required.
Shelter - Cooking 3 points - wood stove, rocket stove, propane, outside campfire.
Shelter - Bug out location and plan 3 points - Some supplies and secured.
Security Training/experience
5 points - the higher the experience, the higher the points - military, law enforcement, personal protection training
Security - firearms 5 points Quality and Quantity Ammunition Accessories Improvised [low value]
Security - security enhancements 5 points - night vision - thermal
- alarm system - body armor
- NBC protection - fortification
Security - network/group 5 points for solid prepping group 1-2 points for quality friends
Xfactor Medical 4 points - Supplies, everyday, advanced equipment, blood pressure cuffs, IV solution etc. - Training - Doctor/nurse/Dentist/Vet/paramedics/ambulance
Xfactor Communication 4 points - ham, cb radio, field phones, intercom, training, numbers
Xfactor bug out vehicles 4 points - 4WD, Large cargo
Xfactor barter 4 points - stored every day items - shampoo, toilet paper etc.
- gold/silver - renewable source - eggs/wood/can grow things/orchid/build things - skills/items for trade.
Xfactor 4 points - what special item or skill the prepper has that makes them stand out and also gives them an edge. - doctor who's stored lots of medical equipment to help people - underground bunker that can hold 20 or 30 people - you can do anything? - you can build anything?
================== Stored Food - 10 points. Resupply Food - 5 points Food preservation - 5 points Stored Water - 10 points Water resupply - 5 points Water purification - 5 points Shelter Location - 4 points Shelter type - 3 points Shelter - Power generation - 4 points Shelter - Heating/cooling - 3 points Shelter - Cooking - 3 points Shelter - Bug out location - 3 points Security Training/experience - 5 points Security arms - 5 points Security enhancements - 5 points Security - network/group - 5 points Xfactor Medical - 4 points Xfactor Communication - 4 points Xfactor bug out vehicles - 4 points Xfactor barter - 4 points Xfactor - 4 points
How'd you go?
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Post by cindy on Sept 17, 2020 13:56:44 GMT 10
Southernprepper1 and Engineer774 [youtube] were the evaluators for the show doomsday preppers. I like to look over the recommendations from time to time to see where I am and help hone in on weaknesses. The video is here and I thought I'd write up the approximate points so people can do their own evaluations of where they live and potential bug out locations.
Stored Food - 10 points. 10 points if 12 months of 9200kj/person/day of varied food 9 points if 12 months of 9200kj/person/day of low variety, aka beans and rice
Resupply Food - 5 points - Garden/greenhouse, Orchard, Livestock, Fish 5 points if near self sustaining Enough Seeds? Fertilizer? Pest control?
Irrigation?
Skills?
Freezing - with sustainable power
Dehydrating - off grid
Smoking Canning - He says 100 jars/person, the chart below [Granny Miller] suggests 1530/family of 4. Extra lids/supplies for extended period Stored Water10 points - 360L/person - 90 days of water per person. Water resupply5 points - river, pond, lake, Spring, Well, Rain Catchment.
- Must be within a short walk.
Water purification 5 points - many methods, redundancy. 3 boiling and filter - boiling, pasteurizing, bleach/Pool shock, Ceramic filters
Shelter - Location 4 - isolation, not near highway, where in country, low pop density. 2-3 most
Shelter - Basement/Root Cellar/Safe room. 3 - underground bunker 1 - root cellar/basement
Shelter - Power generation/fuel 4 - more fuel/power available more points Solar, hydro, wind, gasification, steam, generator.
Shelter - Heating/cooling [if needed] 3 - wood/renewable - insulation/heating cooling as required.
Shelter - Cooking 3 points - wood stove, rocket stove, propane, outside campfire.
Shelter - Bug out location and plan 3 points - Some supplies and secured.
Security Training/experience
5 points - the higher the experience, the higher the points - military, law enforcement, personal protection training
Security - firearms 5 points Quality and Quantity Ammunition Accessories Improvised [low value]
Security - security enhancements 5 points - night vision - thermal
- alarm system - body armor
- NBC protection - fortification
Security - network/group 5 points for solid prepping group 1-2 points for quality friends
Xfactor Medical 4 points - Supplies, everyday, advanced equipment, blood pressure cuffs, IV solution etc. - Training - Doctor/nurse/Dentist/Vet/paramedics/ambulance
Xfactor Communication 4 points - ham, cb radio, field phones, intercom, training, numbers
Xfactor bug out vehicles 4 points - 4WD, Large cargo
Xfactor barter 4 points - stored every day items - shampoo, toilet paper etc.
- gold/silver - renewable source - eggs/wood/can grow things/orchid/build things - skills/items for trade.
Xfactor 4 points - what special item or skill the prepper has that makes them stand out and also gives them an edge. - doctor who's stored lots of medical equipment to help people - underground bunker that can hold 20 or 30 people - you can do anything? - you can build anything?
================== Stored Food - 10 points. Resupply Food - 5 points Food preservation - 5 points Stored Water - 10 points Water resupply - 5 points Water purification - 5 points Shelter Location - 4 points Shelter type - 3 points Shelter - Power generation - 4 points Shelter - Heating/cooling - 3 points Shelter - Cooking - 3 points Shelter - Bug out location - 3 points Security Training/experience - 5 points Security arms - 5 points Security enhancements - 5 points Security - network/group - 5 points Xfactor Medical - 4 points Xfactor Communication - 4 points Xfactor bug out vehicles - 4 points Xfactor barter - 4 points Xfactor - 4 points
How'd you go?
Oooh this sounds like a fun exercise! My weekend is sorted, I'll post my evaluation.
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Post by kelabar on Sept 17, 2020 14:24:23 GMT 10
If I can get an extra 20 points for a really positive attitude that would be good. It would put me in the twenties!
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Post by bug on Sept 17, 2020 14:25:52 GMT 10
Ok, now show how the idiot from Hawaii got such a high score.
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Post by shinester on Sept 17, 2020 17:34:31 GMT 10
The score from the Practical Preppers is understandably low. They do not give David high marks on any of the categories and less surprisingly David is not moved by this. linkyHis scores Food 6 Water 8 Shelter 11 Security 8 X-factor 12
Possible numbers? Stored Food - 1 some packets of chips? Resupply Food - 5 points - He has extensive knowledge on edible and hunting foods. Food preservation - 0 Stored Water - 5 points - its all around him Water resupply - 3 points - rains a lot, streams Water purification - 0
Shelter Location - 4 points Shelter type - 0 points Shelter - Power generation - 0 points Shelter - Heating/cooling - 3 points - doesn't need either all year Shelter - Cooking - 1 points Shelter - Bug out location - 3 points
Security Training/experience - 5 points - apparantly was 6 years in Alaskan airborne rangers and international rescue [might be bull]. Security arms - 3 points - hunts, so probably weapons/ammo Security enhancements - 0 points Security - network/group - 0 points
Xfactor Medical - 1 point, probably some knowledge in natural medical cures as he has extensive knowledge of plants Xfactor Communication - 0 points Xfactor bug out vehicles - 3 points - paddles Xfactor barter - 4 points - skills in which he could keep people alive. Xfactor - 4 points - he's been living off grid for years already. Doesn't need anything or anyone to survive, the proof is that it's already his life.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 17, 2020 19:35:56 GMT 10
It's interesting. These kind of shows take such a narrow view of what circumstances the 'prepping' is meant to address. The scoring system reflects that.
In other parts of the world there are people living in what we would categorise as serious SHTF circumstances, long term, and making a go of it. And they do it with about 5% of the 'preps' in that list. Prepper dogma would suggest all these people should not be alive. Morale, resilience, familiarity with ones AO, a small network of reliable friends and keen improvisation skills seem to be the real factors that sort the wheat from the chaff when bad things happen for a long time.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 18, 2020 16:51:08 GMT 10
I was fairly tough on myself, got 74 points.
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Post by fei on Sept 19, 2020 13:43:34 GMT 10
It's interesting. These kind of shows take such a narrow view of what circumstances the 'prepping' is meant to address. The scoring system reflects that. In other parts of the world there are people living in what we would categorise as serious SHTF circumstances, long term, and making a go of it. And they do it with about 5% of the 'preps' in that list. Prepper dogma would suggest all these people should not be alive. Morale, resilience, familiarity with ones AO, a small network of reliable friends and keen improvisation skills seem to be the real factors that sort the wheat from the chaff when bad things happen for a long time. Yep, when you see how the million or so Indians in the Mumbai slums live, you would think they are doing it hard. There was expected to be a massive casualty rate from COVID in the slums, however, it seems that by working together to keep all the communal facilities disinfected (something like one toilet per 1,000 people) and getting everyone educated about symptoms etc, there has been a very low infection rate.
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Post by shinester on Sept 19, 2020 15:44:16 GMT 10
It's interesting. These kind of shows take such a narrow view of what circumstances the 'prepping' is meant to address. The scoring system reflects that. In other parts of the world there are people living in what we would categorise as serious SHTF circumstances, long term, and making a go of it. And they do it with about 5% of the 'preps' in that list. Prepper dogma would suggest all these people should not be alive. Morale, resilience, familiarity with ones AO, a small network of reliable friends and keen improvisation skills seem to be the real factors that sort the wheat from the chaff when bad things happen for a long time. I would agree, for almost all situations... Human history has been full of great hardship and adaption. Some aboriginals can take a pocket full of .22s and an old rifle and life for years in the bush. If you have too many hunter gathers in an area and soon that becomes impossible due to a lack of resources, so we became farmers to support larger populations. We build aqueducts to move water tens of kilometers. In the siege of Sarajevo [Bosnia war] only about 3% of the population was killed despite being 1425 days long, thankfully hundreds of thousands were saved by the UN bringing in food supplies. People adapted, almost all were malnourished in the end, many acted barbaric. [there's a great audio series about this]. We also have the 1500's in which starvation was the cause of death of 15% of the population in Europe, the height of the world, the big issue, population. There's the Cubian 'special times' where trade to most of the world was stopped caused great shortages, people went hungry but they were still able to produce close to the necessary needed KJs [8500] instead of the usual 12000kjs that they had been used to. Most people learned to and grew food. Yes, most of the time it's not absolute and a total nightmare of zero food. The two cases that come to mind are in Soviet Russian and China in which about 50 million starved to death. Estimates put a failed power grid in the USA would lead to a 90% fatality rate in a year. Higher populations and a dependence on essential resources for food supply such as fuel [farm, transport, collection] provides a bigger risk. So for most of history we managed to get around situations, though there were always people who made it. I think that's what it's testing, how can we be fairly certain on how to make it no matter what happens? That's a very hard thing to know, there's many potential issues. If an army came in and took everything, there's no way I can oppose that. If you have a community of people, you can repel almost anything but that. So where is that line? I don't know, though I do think it's a good gauge on that test, how can you handle most things that might come? There's no provision for nuclear in the test, yet if such an event occurred, unless you have shelter from fallout and it's heavy [high levels of radiation] you won't last long at all. Personally I think that the test is quite the opposite of narrow, I think it's very broad and it's a hard ass test. It's asking a lot of people it's for the absolute and worst of situations, that have almost never occurred in history. If you were in China with your preps, you might survive, unless the army or population found you and killed you for the food. If you were in Bosnia, you probably would have survived anyway, though Primal Survivor [as per the link] became a prepper after so that things would be easier. So what is the test for? I believe it's for the absolute worst that could happen. Even without power 10% of Americans would survive, something like 5% of Americans are prepared, at least 5% didn't need 'preps'. What does the test do, it shows you what you might need in the worst situations, if you're not prepping for that, you're not going to score high. We all know that 2 weeks of food, some water and maybe a veggie patch will get you through most everything no dramas.
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Post by shinester on Sept 19, 2020 16:26:42 GMT 10
Weaknesses
Resupply Food - 1 points - I have seed and fertilizer, some fruit trees and a small veggie patch but not enough land Stored Water - 3 points - This has always been a struggle for me, couldn't get the partner to agree to a IEC recently. Shelter - Power generation - 2 points - I have a large battery bank but few panels. I've not built my preps needing power, though that could lead to potential bartering. Security Training/experience - 1 points - this one is a tricky one to improve in this country. I might be a decent shot, though that's not much by itself. Security enhancements - 1 points - I've been looking into security detection, denial and deterrent a lot recently, not ready to implement though in process. Security - network/group - 1 points - My work focus has diminished my social life/prepper meet ups. I really feel that unless they're you're neighbors or they're turning up to your house then it's not going to be much use. Xfactor Medical - 1 points - a great deal of time required here I haven't had the inclination to do. We can handle the basics.
Being real with myself, 60 points for me. ---------------------------------- I find it useful so I can see these weaknesses.
My current focus is Security - short term - get a large dog [only waiting on the breeder] that will work with our situation - reinforce door screws - increase the kicks required to open the door. Keep forgetting to do this very easy project. - get some kind of extra security bar for doors - aka stop people kicking the door down - solar motion floodlights - on order - motion lights - on order - do laser dry firing practice regularly [building targets, waiting on parts]. Better than nothing, though the main aim here is familiarity with the firearms. Back this up with on the range when we can again.
- metal grill/fencing to stop people 'getting' to the door in a crisis. Will store. - plywood ready-cut for windows and extra front door. - fencing barriers/wire to slow movements to put up in a crisis.
- camera system for the house - easy but also considering power usage/choices. - Extended camera system for the surrounding area only put up if SHTF. The main issue is trees, lower frequencies are better but trickier to send video. Working on my knowledge/experience first before dipping my toes in.
Garden - as per the farm that Curtis Stone did, I would like to work on a smaller version of it to iron out my knowledge pool and get supplies for a larger one once I understand what I need and irrigation required etc. The focus on low time is particularly important to me, I have little time left in a week.
Water - I will double use the water storage with the garden, aim for off grid water for the plants serving as a reserve and ready supply of water.
Neighbors. - we're pretty restricted here currently, though I would like to work on the relationships with the nearest ones and see how we go from there.
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Post by bce1 on Sept 20, 2020 14:43:00 GMT 10
I hit 74 exactly as well Frostbite. I am acutely aware of my defects and surprised scored so well. I possible overthink and fixate on them to much, but still don’t think worth 74!!
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Post by frostbite on Sept 20, 2020 17:13:39 GMT 10
I hit 74 exactly as well Frostbite. I am acutely aware of my defects and surprised scored so well. I possible overthink and fixate on them to much, but still don’t think worth 74!! My main weakness is medical skills. And my protein resupply relies on hunting and fishing on or around my rural property, or bartering with the sheep farms surrounding me. Other than that I'm very well sorted.
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Post by Stealth on Sept 20, 2020 19:10:53 GMT 10
I've found that prepping is somewhat like running a marathon. You might never make it all the way to the end but you'll be several kilometres ahead of the hordes when they start their mindless panic sprint that wears them out 20 metres in. That head start can be a make or break scenario for a lot of folks because often they'll give up the mental fight long before they run out of punching steam.
Setting scores for some folk is super motivating because it can game-efy the process or make folks competitive. But if you're a person that gets overwhelmed easily (arguably the type of personality that probably needs to prep the most because it helps to reduce anxiety and stress) it can make it seem unobtainable.
I look at prepping as a defence rather than an attack plan. I don't have the space, ability, or inclination to start stocking up weapons, attack dogs, or body armour. I just want to be able to feed my family in emergencies, patch up their boo-boos, and get us through 12 months of austerity. More than that is a nice to have rather than a need to have for now because we simply don't have the capacity for more than that just yet. I guess I'd like to be more of a homesteader/prepper hybrid. The survivalist/prepper hybrid seems to take a lot more 'heightened tension levels' than I can be bothered to maintain lmao.
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Post by fei on Sept 20, 2020 19:34:12 GMT 10
Went through the list for both my usual life (apartment in the city) and then the BOL (ie. wife's family's farming village 100km out in the boonies).
In the city we score pretty poorly, just having the food stocks and bug out plan, although have several friends and neighbours with medical skills and stocks.
In the boonies, we have pretty much everything, apart from the medical stuff and weapons. The village in the boonies is easily defensible though, and with all the relatives and others back there, would have the manpower to mount a decent defense without firearms.
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Post by shinester on Sept 21, 2020 1:36:04 GMT 10
I look at prepping as a defence rather than an attack plan. I don't have the space, ability, or inclination to start stocking up weapons, attack dogs, or body armour. I just want to be able to feed my family in emergencies, patch up their boo-boos, and get us through 12 months of austerity. Yeah, hold out till the tide changes, makes sense. Personally I like prepping for life, not having a life of prepping. Mostly does it add to my quality of life? The normal food storage allowed me to continue eating food I liked when there was the short time of shortages in the supermarkets. The backup power, great for continuing mostly as normal when the power goes down in a big storm [many times a year]. A dog? Love dogs to bits, we'll be best mates as every dog I've owned has been. Same goes with shooting, it's meditative to me. I love to play with ideas, try out new things, keeps me fresh and explorative. What about the peace of mind of long term food insurance? Am I thinking there's going to be something major, nah. If it happens, I'm be as ready as I am, less stress, if not, extra fertilizer for the veggies.
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