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Post by spinifex on Feb 21, 2021 17:03:57 GMT 10
A good way to have man portable, high volume water storage. For use with portable plastic sheet catchment. (See seperate post in off=grid section) Moving a 205L empty drum, on foot, to a secluded location = Very hard. Moving a 200-1000L bladder, on foot, to a secluded location = easy. www.water-storage-containers.com/waterstoragebladders.html
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 22, 2021 2:27:08 GMT 10
Something that I have been reading about in the US right now as food for thought. There is a freak ice storm, extensive power outages and freezing conditions in the southern US right now. Many preppers had water stored inside their basements and even homes. Many in food grade barrels and various containers. With no back up heat source these water storage containers have frozen and busted damaging homes and flooding basements.
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Post by spinifex on Feb 22, 2021 19:29:54 GMT 10
DD ...freezing stuff is not a problem we Ozzies think about too often. Our stuff tends to catch fire more than anything. Or get swamped in Floods.
But for other parts of the world ... freezing messing with your stuff is a very valid point.
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 22, 2021 23:45:04 GMT 10
DD ...freezing stuff is not a problem we Ozzies think about too often. Our stuff tends to catch fire more than anything. Or get swamped in Floods. But for other parts of the world ... freezing messing with your stuff is a very valid point. That's what Texas said
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Post by spinifex on Feb 23, 2021 7:28:14 GMT 10
True! And to that point: We have lived at our current place since 2004. It is close to the temperature moderating effect of the sea. We never saw a night frost until 2018. At which point we had 1 night of light frost in mid winter and 2 days later set a record daily high temperature for June. 2019 we got 3 nights frost. Last winter about 5 nights of frost.
So ... yeah ... never can tell!
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 24, 2021 9:47:59 GMT 10
DD ...freezing stuff is not a problem we Ozzies think about too often. Our stuff tends to catch fire more than anything. Or get swamped in Floods. But for other parts of the world ... freezing messing with your stuff is a very valid point. That's what Texas said +++ This is ALWAYS the very FIRST thing any idea is filtered through up here..... Will it, when will it freeze.... Then everything else is figured out from there.. Then a somewhat more remote, but not impossible situation to consider is forest fire..
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 24, 2021 21:17:43 GMT 10
For the last 30 years or so I have lived in areas where that is also a very valid concern. When I lived in Northern Missouri not only was freezing of your preps a priority but grass fires were a great concern. Next on that list was tornadoes. Root cellars and basements were a great help in storing goods including some water. Most water containers were stored in root cellars or basements if you kept any at all. We lived on an older farm that also had an underground cistern which I also count as water storage as well as 3 old hand dug stone wells. While the wells were capped off by my husband for safety reasons most of the time they still had usable water in a pinch.
Now in the mountains of Tennessee freezing temps are more of a concern than snow accumulation but ice has what we have seen to be the most damaging. Especially prone to power outages! When you lose heat not only do you have to worry about keeping the animals alive and yourself warm. You have to be diligent with insulating and wrapping water pipes etc. Reliable back up heat is a must. A concern is keeping bottled water, home canned jars and tin cans in preps from freezing as well and bursting. Same with any water storage. There are very few basements in my area of Tennessee.
Here there is some forest fire danger as well with all the forest around but our rainfall is so high it is a rare occurrence thus far and the highest risk is in the autumn. Flash floods are also an issue on some of the mountain creeks. Water moving down a mountain does not take long to build up momentum and a small creek becomes a death trap sweeping vehicles off roads and such.
During the summer our water storage also includes rain barrels on many of the out buildings and sheds used to water the various fruit trees and gardens. If necessary this water could be filtered. There is also an old shallow well here by the house with a hand pump.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 25, 2021 3:45:55 GMT 10
During the summer our water storage also includes rain barrels on many of the out buildings and sheds +++ We also use rain barrels.. I do want to rig up a ICB, IBC tote on wheels to pull with the tractor.. A 1" trash pump is less than $200 and would fill the tote from the pond as well power a spray bar or other dispersal needs... When we need garden water, this would save a lot on the well..
Sweetie has wanted one of the bladders you put in a bath tub.. That would be OK as we have both the tub and a shower stall in the wash room..
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Post by spinifex on Feb 25, 2021 7:53:51 GMT 10
For the last 30 years or so I have lived in areas where that is also a very valid concern. When I lived in Northern Missouri not only was freezing of your preps a priority but grass fires were a great concern. Next on that list was tornadoes. Root cellars and basements were a great help in storing goods including some water. Most water containers were stored in root cellars or basements if you kept any at all. We lived on an older farm that also had an underground cistern which I also count as water storage as well as 3 old hand dug stone wells. While the wells were capped off by my husband for safety reasons most of the time they still had usable water in a pinch. Now in the mountains of Tennessee freezing temps are more of a concern than snow accumulation but ice has what we have seen to be the most damaging. Especially prone to power outages! When you lose heat not only do you have to worry about keeping the animals alive and yourself warm. You have to be diligent with insulating and wrapping water pipes etc. Reliable back up heat is a must. A concern is keeping bottled water, home canned jars and tin cans in preps from freezing as well and bursting. Same with any water storage. There are very few basements in my area of Tennessee. Here there is some forest fire danger as well with all the forest around but our rainfall is so high it is a rare occurrence thus far and the highest risk is in the autumn. Flash floods are also an issue on some of the mountain creeks. Water moving down a mountain does not take long to build up momentum and a small creek becomes a death trap sweeping vehicles off roads and such. During the summer our water storage also includes rain barrels on many of the out buildings and sheds used to water the various fruit trees and gardens. If necessary this water could be filtered. There is also an old shallow well here by the house with a hand pump. how big is a rain barrel? Here in Oz many or most houses have rainwater tanks - typlical set-up vary from 10 000 litre to 40 000 litre. New build places in my district have to include minimum 23000 litre rainwater storage in the plans in order for them to be approved.
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Post by grumble on Feb 25, 2021 8:28:25 GMT 10
slightly off topic but if you live in an area prone to power outages and extreme cold then it might be worth investing in one of these bendigowoodstoves.com.au/rayburn.htmlseen them used very effectively in tas in the highlands where it gets very cold with lots of snow and ice in winter and i had one installed in my highland lakes shack. load it up with wood then shut it down for the night and it would keep ticking over till morning the radiators use to keep 2 bedrooms the dining lounge room and bathroom toasty once they warmed up
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Post by dirtdiva on Feb 25, 2021 11:15:57 GMT 10
For the last 30 years or so I have lived in areas where that is also a very valid concern. When I lived in Northern Missouri not only was freezing of your preps a priority but grass fires were a great concern. Next on that list was tornadoes. Root cellars and basements were a great help in storing goods including some water. Most water containers were stored in root cellars or basements if you kept any at all. We lived on an older farm that also had an underground cistern which I also count as water storage as well as 3 old hand dug stone wells. While the wells were capped off by my husband for safety reasons most of the time they still had usable water in a pinch. Now in the mountains of Tennessee freezing temps are more of a concern than snow accumulation but ice has what we have seen to be the most damaging. Especially prone to power outages! When you lose heat not only do you have to worry about keeping the animals alive and yourself warm. You have to be diligent with insulating and wrapping water pipes etc. Reliable back up heat is a must. A concern is keeping bottled water, home canned jars and tin cans in preps from freezing as well and bursting. Same with any water storage. There are very few basements in my area of Tennessee. Here there is some forest fire danger as well with all the forest around but our rainfall is so high it is a rare occurrence thus far and the highest risk is in the autumn. Flash floods are also an issue on some of the mountain creeks. Water moving down a mountain does not take long to build up momentum and a small creek becomes a death trap sweeping vehicles off roads and such. During the summer our water storage also includes rain barrels on many of the out buildings and sheds used to water the various fruit trees and gardens. If necessary this water could be filtered. There is also an old shallow well here by the house with a hand pump. how big is a rain barrel? Here in Oz many or most houses have rainwater tanks - typlical set-up vary from 10 000 litre to 40 000 litre. New build places in my district have to include minimum 23000 litre rainwater storage in the plans in order for them to be approved A rain barrel is about 50 gallons. Here where I live now we have a rural water supply system that is reasonably cheap and reliable. We average less than 2,000 gallons a month with a cost of about $30 a month. The place also had an older shallow well off the back door that we have a hand pump on. Then we have 50 gallon food safe drums that we have made into rain barrels that we have on the house corners and we also have barrels on 3 outbuildings. All together we have 10 rain barrels scattered around the place. The average cost of these barrels around here are 7$ - $10 each. Something like this is what you most commonly see around here. Large water tanks are rarely seen. There are very few codes or requirements here for rain barrels.
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Post by Tim Horton on Feb 25, 2021 11:19:00 GMT 10
slightly off topic but if you live in an area prone to power outages and extreme cold then it might be worth investing in one of these
bendigowoodstoves.com.au/rayburn.html +++ I like the looks of the #300 stove, but they don't give, or I couldn't find specifications and other details... Was it them or me ?? ??
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Post by grumble on Feb 26, 2021 22:44:32 GMT 10
slightly off topic but if you live in an area prone to power outages and extreme cold then it might be worth investing in one of these bendigowoodstoves.com.au/rayburn.html +++ I like the looks of the #300 stove, but they don't give, or I couldn't find specifications and other details... Was it them or me ?? ?? No its them they didn't give any details probably because they cost an arm and a leg plus the sole of your 1st born The one i had ran 3 radiators and once it got up and running it worked very well at keeping the cold out of the rooms and didn't use as much wood as a normal fireplace the downside is the price and weight i paid just under 10k for the kit but it was worth it knowing if the power was out i could keep the place warm and snug even if there was tons of snow and ice outside If i was going to build a new home again in a cold climate i would go nuts with insulation in the building and install one of those stoves again with radiators in every room because once you get the system hot all the way through which can take many hours if your water is nearly frozen i can guaranty you wont notice its cold outside
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