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Post by norseman on Aug 19, 2021 14:58:27 GMT 10
So the goss is that a considerable number of the "Australians" trapped in the country are actually "Afghan Australians" who've returned to that crap hole for holidays and family visits! Now I will declare this is "friend of a friend" level intel, can anyone give further information? I did see that a former "Australian" Afghan boat person was whinging that his pregnant wife and two kids were trapped there while he was stuck here in Oz!?!? Now either he has been in Afghanistan recently with her or his missus been playing up on him!
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Post by Stealth on Aug 19, 2021 15:44:15 GMT 10
Sounds like a bit of a beat-up to me. Some of the people being repatriated almost certainly will be Afghan Australians. People with dual citizenship who're working over there for NGOs and Australian contract groups as interpreters and the like. Some of them will be the adult kids of refugees who've returned to try to help make Afghanistan a better place (clearly a pipe dream). Nothing particularly out of the norm and pretty reasonable for given that we would expect the same for any other Aussie.
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Post by spatial on Aug 19, 2021 16:12:13 GMT 10
Afghanistan is a total disaster. The country fell in 11 days. People were clinging onto the planes engines and wheels as they took off and fell to their deaths. The Taliban have isolated the airport and not letting anyone in or out, going around finding all westerners and executing them. Confiscating all private guns, executing woma who are not wearing a Burka. A small riot broke out and they fired into the crowd killing a number of people. A German plan was sent in rescue German citizens and those that assisted the Germans in the war, but had to leave with only 8 person on board as most of them were trapped outside of the airport. If one looks at refuges especially economic, the world over it is always tens of thousands of men and almost no woman. We saw that when fighting broke out in Syria. In the US there has been 2million refugees from South America since Biden took office. Looking at all the planes from Afghanistan it is mostly men, they leave the woman behind. It is a planned and orchestrated total destruction of the west, lucky Australia has no land borders. The only reason why conservatives are in gov in Australia is they stopped the boat people. A conservative Christian blogger that I follow has gone completely ballistic on what Afghanistan means to the world. The USA is now weak and pathetic, it is a clue to China that it is now time to invade Taiwan. Time to get those Gerry cans filled as if war breaks out in the China Sea, fuel will be cut off to Australia… The Apocalypse is on the way, things are now in motion. theeconomiccollapseblog.com/the-collapse-of-afghanistan-has-brought-us-a-lot-closer-to-a-chinese-invasion-of-taiwan/theeconomiccollapseblog.com/afghanistan-is-the-thread-that-will-start-to-unravel-western-dreams-of-a-new-world-order/theeconomiccollapseblog.com/the-myth-of-u-s-invincibility-has-now-been-completely-shattered/
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Post by spatial on Aug 19, 2021 16:27:16 GMT 10
South Americans entering the US:: Spot the woman... Syrian refugees walking to Europe Kabul airport..
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Post by norseman on Aug 19, 2021 16:41:54 GMT 10
The fuel storage / preservation issue is one that I'm going to take a fresh new look at very shortly!
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Post by Beno on Aug 19, 2021 17:11:11 GMT 10
Found one! Do i get a prize or somethin’?
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Post by Beno on Aug 19, 2021 17:18:33 GMT 10
Afghanistan is a total disaster. The country fell in 11 days. People were clinging onto the planes engines and wheels as they took off and fell to their deaths. The Taliban have isolated the airport and not letting anyone in or out, going around finding all westerners and executing them. Confiscating all private guns, executing woma who are not wearing a Burka. A small riot broke out and they fired into the crowd killing a number of people. A German plan was sent in rescue German citizens and those that assisted the Germans in the war, but had to leave with only 8 person on board as most of them were trapped outside of the airport. If one looks at refuges especially economic, the world over it is always tens of thousands of men and almost no woman. We saw that when fighting broke out in Syria. In the US there has been 2million refugees from South America since Biden took office. Looking at all the planes from Afghanistan it is mostly men, they leave the woman behind. It is a planned and orchestrated total destruction of the west, lucky Australia has no land borders. The only reason why conservatives are in gov in Australia is they stopped the boat people. A conservative Christian blogger that I follow has gone completely ballistic on what Afghanistan means to the world. The USA is now weak and pathetic, it is a clue to China that it is now time to invade Taiwan. Time to get those Gerry cans filled as if war breaks out in the China Sea, fuel will be cut off to Australia… The Apocalypse is on the way, things are now in motion. theeconomiccollapseblog.com/the-collapse-of-afghanistan-has-brought-us-a-lot-closer-to-a-chinese-invasion-of-taiwan/theeconomiccollapseblog.com/afghanistan-is-the-thread-that-will-start-to-unravel-western-dreams-of-a-new-world-order/theeconomiccollapseblog.com/the-myth-of-u-s-invincibility-has-now-been-completely-shattered/I don’t agree with the afghanistan comparison to china. China has a lot to lose economically where as Astan had nothing other sheer human willpower which has never been broken in any recent conflict. China has mega dams, cities, power plants, factories, ships to lose. The average afghani had a small heard of goats, a busted toyota and some dope. The war will look a lot different and i don’t think the allies would necessarily need boots in the ground to cause a major headache for China. Just bomb it to oblivion and walk away. China can’t they need troops to hold taiwan and teach it a lesson. it could go a-stan on them but methinks they won’t care about genocide.
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Post by Beno on Aug 19, 2021 17:20:21 GMT 10
The fuel storage / preservation issue is one that I'm going to take a fresh new look at very shortly! Suddenly Elons cybertruck doesn’t seem such a crazy idea after all. Just add solar array and happy driving.
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Post by spatial on Aug 19, 2021 17:41:07 GMT 10
Found one! Do i get a prize or somethin’? There is only big chested men there. The photos do explain why there are so many Afghanistan men in Aus, crying about family back there. The liberal woke media will focus on we need to bring more refugees into the country, but ignore the other bigger issues.
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Post by malewithatail on Aug 20, 2021 9:27:54 GMT 10
Saw a comment re China and war. With Chinas one child policy, now under 'review", most families only have one child, usually a male and will resist the military's attempts to take that one link with their family's away to possibly be killed in a war. Add that most Chinese men have had the snip, so cant have any more kids, yes, it can be reversed, but the longer it was done ago the harder it is.
Wouldn't it be great if we could put ourselves in the dryer for ten minutes, come out wrinkle-free and three sizes smaller?
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 20, 2021 10:27:47 GMT 10
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Post by Stealth on Aug 20, 2021 12:55:54 GMT 10
What I've gotten out of the media about Afghanistan in the last couple of weeks is that there's a lot of armchair warriors who've decided that they're now experts in the Middle East conflict without ever having stepped foot on the soil.
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Post by Stealth on Aug 20, 2021 13:10:35 GMT 10
Saw a comment re China and war. With Chinas one child policy, now under 'review", most families only have one child, usually a male and will resist the military's attempts to take that one link with their family's away to possibly be killed in a war. Add that most Chinese men have had the snip, so cant have any more kids, yes, it can be reversed, but the longer it was done ago the harder it is. The one child policy was revoked in 2016. They've been 'allowed' two children since then. They're now reviewing it for three children. They're reviewing it in part because of their aging culture, but also specifically because of the preference towards male children. There simply aren't enough women-folk to go around anymore. Most Chinese men have the snip? I'd like to see a source for that. With the population there they'd have to have facilities dedicated purely to performing that surgery to achieve 'most' men having it done! I've seen far more reports of women being forced to have abortions because they've fallen pregnant with successive children than reports about Chinese men having forced vasectomies. Remember, women and children are largely second rate citizens over there. It's far more acceptable to force a woman to have an abortion after she's fallen pregnant than it would be to disturb a man's 'natural virility'. Because again, man good, woman make baby .
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Post by Joey on Aug 20, 2021 17:19:37 GMT 10
Saw a comment re China and war. With Chinas one child policy, now under 'review", most families only have one child, usually a male and will resist the military's attempts to take that one link with their family's away to possibly be killed in a war. Add that most Chinese men have had the snip, so cant have any more kids, yes, it can be reversed, but the longer it was done ago the harder it is. preference towards male children. There simply aren't enough women-folk to go around anymore. India a few years ago banned the sonographers and doctors from telling the parents the sex of their baby because they too had a massive issue of only wanting male babies to carry on the family linage and would abort the baby if it was female.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 21, 2021 21:49:09 GMT 10
People who served there are confused, disappointed, alarmed, upset, horrified, betrayed - you name it
It's a mess, and I think it's wrong to walk away, but, there is a responsibility to look after themselves.
China is about to get it's own Vietnam! (Does that mean the US/Nato will again arm the Taliban?
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 21, 2021 21:50:39 GMT 10
I'm watching a Russian documentary on the Soviet invasion/occupation of Afghanistan in 1979 - the more I watch it, the more I see the US etc failures re-lived over again.
Has subtitles - but well worth the watch.
(Click on "Watch on YouTube" to watch).
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Post by milspec on Aug 21, 2021 22:12:58 GMT 10
China is about to get it's own Vietnam! (Does that mean the US/Nato will again arm the Taliban? I think they already did .... literally piles of cash left behind plus weapons & vehicles etc. Did anyone else notice that when the news broke of the Telly Tubbies occupying el presidente's office that one red hatted Telly Tubby on the left side of the group had a thermal scope on his rifle? Aka Pulsar XP-50 Style. Those kinds of capabilities will make it dangerous for opposing forces on the ground.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 22, 2021 21:27:39 GMT 10
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Post by Morgo on Aug 23, 2021 12:17:09 GMT 10
Sounds like a bit of a beat-up to me. Some of the people being repatriated almost certainly will be Afghan Australians. People with dual citizenship who're working over there for NGOs and Australian contract groups as interpreters and the like. Some of them will be the adult kids of refugees who've returned to try to help make Afghanistan a better place (clearly a pipe dream). Nothing particularly out of the norm and pretty reasonable for given that we would expect the same for any other Aussie.
Not at all surprising. Its just like all the "Australians" that are/were trapped in India from covid and wanting to come back to Australia.
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Post by bce1 on Aug 23, 2021 14:32:30 GMT 10
I think the big issue here is citizens travelling at times of high risk. If you have left Australia or NZ in the last 18 months - even for a good reason you should have no reasonable expectation of government rescue. If you have gone to Afghanistan for weddings or funerals in the last 3-6 months then you have done that 100% at your own risk and deserve to be stuck there. Almost everyone has had strong family reasons for travelling in the last 18 months and most haven't often with personal and mental health consequences. If you went to India at the height of a pandemic for a holiday, wedding or funeral and got trapped, there is no reasonable expectation of government rescue. Choices have consequences and the warnings were clear and plain. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes.
The issue of Australian staff working for NGOs and indigenous staff working for DFAT and ADF in Afghanistan is a different conversation entirely.
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