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Post by sentinel on Jul 8, 2014 10:39:59 GMT 10
Yeah, don't forget your friends, of course with $20M your are going to have a lot of new friends as well  Good point though, with that sort of money you could provide for several other families, even if that cost an extra $1M (which it wouldn't), dozen madder. Oops I must have forgotten to post my comment from yesterday. I agree, I'd pay off mortgages of select friends and family, set up a community where we each have individual homes but shared communal spaces. The friends that I'm thinking of have unique skill sets and would be totally up for it. Like sentinel said, it's hard work but I know it's totally do able. I grew up on a community that shared work with the orchard, chooks, garden etc. we weren't self totally sufficient but we were close. I have to disagree with the gardening side of things though, if you look into permaculture and you plan properly you don't have to rely on chemicals because you can limit the amount of damage from bad bugs and weeds. This is the point I was trying to get across - unless you are a vego - there are literally dozens of jobs that need doing with animals each day - our day started pre-dawn - milk the cows - take the milk to the meat house and use the separator (separate cream from milk) use the butter churn for butter - then we'd let the chooks out - pigs out into pens - feed them - do what needed to be done with livestock/crops then that night do the dogs, garden (weed - water), chooks, turkeys, geese, ducks, shut the calves in cut wood for stove and fire place - it was full on. With-out the aid of modern equipment tools, extra manpower and such - bloody impossible to keep that up all the time. Amongst all this we had to kill our meat once a week and dress it out. Our days often went well into the nights and with out modern equipment - I would hate to tackle all this again. Even simple things like the washing now we throw it into a machine, add detergent/powder and set and forget. Back then our wash day was at dawn light the copper, fill with water and then wash day started when water was hot - then we still had the old wash machine with wooden finger eating rollers - the washing process required wood to heat water and you still needed chainsaws, trucks/utes axes wedges (we also had a saw bench) and a back braking day on a regular basis - with out these modern tools we would have failed - this translates to much of a farm/self sufficient lifestyle. A few of us sat down separately to come up with a 'magic' number of people required to function in a self sufficient role (most of us had experienced living as I mentioned) we also factored in 24/7 security and we all came up with damn near the same 'magic' number to give yourself a chance. This is what intrigued me the most - we all came up with virtually an identical number required. |
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 8, 2014 11:02:30 GMT 10
Oops I must have forgotten to post my comment from yesterday. I agree, I'd pay off mortgages of select friends and family, set up a community where we each have individual homes but shared communal spaces. The friends that I'm thinking of have unique skill sets and would be totally up for it. Like sentinel said, it's hard work but I know it's totally do able. I grew up on a community that shared work with the orchard, chooks, garden etc. we weren't self totally sufficient but we were close. I have to disagree with the gardening side of things though, if you look into permaculture and you plan properly you don't have to rely on chemicals because you can limit the amount of damage from bad bugs and weeds. This is the point I was trying to get across - unless you are a vego - there are literally dozens of jobs that need doing with animals each day - our day started pre-dawn - milk the cows - take the milk to the meat house and use the separator (separate cream from milk) use the butter churn for butter - then we'd let the chooks out - pigs out into pens - feed them - do what needed to be done with livestock/crops then that night do the dogs, garden (weed - water), chooks, turkeys, geese, ducks, shut the calves in cut wood for stove and fire place - it was full on. With-out the aid of modern equipment tools, extra manpower and such - bloody impossible to keep that up all the time. Amongst all this we had to kill our meat once a week and dress it out. Our days often went well into the nights and with out modern equipment - I would hate to tackle all this again. Even simple things like the washing now we throw it into a machine, add detergent/powder and set and forget. Back then our wash day was at dawn light the copper, fill with water and then wash day started when water was hot - then we still had the old wash machine with wooden finger eating rollers - the washing process required wood to heat water and you still needed chainsaws, trucks/utes axes wedges (we also had a saw bench) and a back braking day on a regular basis - with out these modern tools we would have failed - this translates to much of a farm/self sufficient lifestyle. A few of us sat down separately to come up with a 'magic' number of people required to function in a self sufficient role (most of us had experienced living as I mentioned) we also factored in 24/7 security and we all came up with damn near the same 'magic' number to give yourself a chance. This is what intrigued me the most - we all came up with virtually an identical number required. I'll bite  What's the number? |
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Post by sentinel on Jul 8, 2014 11:13:20 GMT 10
Not going to give you that number that easy - want you to think on it - draw from your experiences and tell me what you come up with - then I'll tell you what our number is/was. |
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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 8, 2014 11:18:26 GMT 10
Not going to give you that number that easy - want you to think on it - draw from your experiences and tell me what you come up with - then I'll tell you what our number is/was. Haha you tease! I have NFI, I was a kid to young teen when we lived on the community so wasn't paying attention to stuff like numbers & workload. |
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Post by sentinel on Jul 8, 2014 11:27:08 GMT 10
Not going to give you that number that easy - want you to think on it - draw from your experiences and tell me what you come up with - then I'll tell you what our number is/was. Haha you tease! I have NFI, I was a kid to young teen when we lived on the community so wasn't paying attention to stuff like numbers & workload. Still - give it some thought - think what you do today and how it would be without mod-cons to help with the work.
This even steps into preserving your excess food - bottling canning drying etc - all takes time - but if you don't do it - you will starve.
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What's the number?