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Post by StepfordRenegade on Jul 26, 2014 10:04:35 GMT 10
What do you look for in a bug out location?
What are your essentials (e.g. it has to be at least Xkm away from any major town), what are your preferences (e.g. I'd actually prefer the site was unpowered), what are your perks (e.g. I'd love a creek, but not essential), and what are your deal breakers (e.g. what would make you avoid the "perfect" BOL like the plague)?
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Post by You Must Enter A Name on Jul 26, 2014 18:42:43 GMT 10
Near but not next to a running stream, preferably one that doesn't go dry in summer, obviously need to ensure no dangerous nests of ants are well ingrained into the area as well as wasps and bee's etc, would also have good natural shelter, plenty of tree cover (Canopy) not sure on the rest, I have some places staked out, but that is more for convenience, I'll have to read along and learn I think as my primary plan is to bug in.
Great topic though, I can think of a few members whoa re going to be all over this and I'm eager to read what they have to write.
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Post by pheniox17 on Jul 26, 2014 18:53:35 GMT 10
To purchase or to scout??
To purchase: High altitude, 10acres useable min, dirt road access, access to fresh water (rain, dam, spring, stream ect) backing on to bushland, freehold, firtile land, dwelling or not don't matter
To scout, all the above except larger land area, land ownersip dont count nor dose access, just hight, water, avalibility of wild foods, and
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Post by Res-Q on Jul 27, 2014 9:23:02 GMT 10
Scouting for me, close to water, not frequented by the public. But close to public roads with multiple exit points.
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Post by wolfstar on Jul 27, 2014 9:31:19 GMT 10
I'm with ResQ. Water, which also brings wildlife, away from people. Multiple ways in and out.
The main deal breaker would be people. Lol
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Post by squirrelbait on Jul 27, 2014 11:51:01 GMT 10
Clean water, Terrain that works to my advantage (Visibility/Concealment/Defensible), Wooded areas, distance from major roads and population centers, Soil type, Neighbors.
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Post by Frank on Jul 28, 2014 11:04:37 GMT 10
For me, finding somewhere with the right mix of seclusion, cover, ease/difficulty of access and proximity to towns is what I would be looking for.
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Post by R3dbeard on Aug 8, 2014 18:40:02 GMT 10
Some great info on here! Awesome...
Right now, my wife and I are searching for and about to purchase a bug out location. I'm new to prepping, but will tell you of the things we have considered in this. Perhaps people could offer some critique if they can think of any...
1. Rural property, not near any major town. 2. Location not near major connecting roads. 3. Minimum 50 acres. 4. At least 20 or so acres of scrub to conceal structures. 5. Within 1.5 hours drive from our home. (With this distance, we can go there each weekend to supply, and there is less chance of being caught by road blocks) 6. Location for bore to be put down into ground for water source. 7. Location suitable for growing vegetables etc. 8. Able to justify to family and friends that it is a rural 'getaway' to take the kids camping.
Any thoughts people could add would be very appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 9, 2014 0:35:37 GMT 10
Mate, if this is what you want, and it meets your needs, then go for it - smart thinking re permanent water too, and the scrub for concealment!!! You need to find what works best for you and your family, and what is good for you, may be no good for someone else. Sounds like you are thinking this through really well, and making some good plans. Well done!
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Post by graynomad on Aug 9, 2014 0:47:58 GMT 10
I live in a heavily wooded area and I think it's a two-edged sword. Yes we are invisible to the outside world, but by the same token we can't see anyone approaching either. Overall I think I prefer heavily wooded, but...
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 20, 2015 21:02:36 GMT 10
Not sure if anyone still looks at this post but to most of you, keep dreaming.
There would be very few areas like the ones you are searching for.
We have lived here for 20 years and we believe that it is an ideal situation for after the SHTF.
We do not have a running stream, we are not at a high altitude, we are 15 minutes drive from the nearest town, we have main roads 15 to 20 minutes drive away, we have ants nests within 30 metres of the house and bees living in trees about 100 metres of the house (good for pollination).
All the best for putting down a bore as most of the underground water in this area is saline. A large roof area and tanks works well and so do dams for ground water runoff. Put a dam in and the neighbours will know about it and in many areas you will need a permit. Put a bore down and you may need a permit for that too.
We have an area of black dirt (about .5 of a hectare) over a metre deep which, when we have the water, grows great fruit and vegetables and we are in the midst of what is known as box-iron bark woodlands/forest.
It does not matter how dense the trees are or how heavy the canopy someone will always know you are there.
Our opinion is that it is better to make friends with your neighbours than enemies as in times of trouble together we can help lighten the load. No man is an island.
The reality is, you cannot hide, you cannot become invisible. Those of us that already live in the rural areas will see you coming, we will see what you are up to and we will make our judgements on you according to how you behave, how you respect our lifestyles and property.
Lots of properties for sale that would be ideal for a getaway for after the SHTF but, please, be realistic about what you are trying to achieve.
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Post by Frank on Jan 20, 2015 21:31:33 GMT 10
Peter, your input and info is appreciated, but I don't think there is any need for the attitude
This thread is for people to put forward their ideas on what they would ideally look for in property/BOLs, they don't need to told to "keep dreaming" and those that "already live in the rural areas will see you coming". People are allowed to dream and you may be surprised by the amount of people here that come from rural areas
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Post by throwingbrick on Jan 20, 2015 22:17:02 GMT 10
This : Stream that runs practically all year (this photo was taken in the height of summer in 38 degree temps, decent tree coverage, hills which can be used for scouting and seeing people from far off (the one in this picture in the background has about a 2k view each way of open grasslands and all the points a vehicle could get in from. backs onto 8,000 acres of scrub country if things should go south, gets too relatively low and sometimes sub zero temps in winter so there's lots of available water sources. and is roughly 4 hour drive from home but I could get there in about 1 if it was a WROL situation, there's also an abundance of game like pigs,goats,rabbits,foxes,deer and sometimes feral cats and hare. Gimme a sleeping bag 500 rounds of 7.62x54r and a Mosin and I reckon I could go for years.
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Post by graynomad on Jan 20, 2015 23:06:26 GMT 10
Looks real nice.
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Post by shinester on Jan 20, 2015 23:57:29 GMT 10
If it's bad enough to 'have' to bug out then security is no 1. Then it's water and food resources. I've got 2 spots both within 10kms [can get there easily in a day] one is much more secure and secluded and the other is a similar situation to here.
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Post by peter1942 on Jan 21, 2015 21:13:10 GMT 10
We live in an area where within a ten kilometre radius of us there would be over 100 small blocks from two to 50 hectares in size that would in most cases be eminently suitable for a family to set up camp in a post SHTF situation.
In the 20 or so years we have been here we have watched with interest many of these blocks being sold (several have been sold more than five times) and the new owners take possession. In a number of instances I have made myself known, welcomed them to the area and informed them of the services available in the local towns and of the organisations they could join if they felt the need. I have listened to their reasons for purchasing the block and their plans for the future.
Those plans usually go out the window about the third time they get to their block as it is a two and a half hour drive from the north side of Melbourne, they usually arrive late in the afternoon, set up camp with no water on tap, no power supply other than a generator that is usually made in China, the kids have no television or computer games, mum has trouble cooking tea as in the summer fire season the barbecue cannot be lit outside and in the winter the make-do kitchen in the shed is not set up properly, the teenage girls don’t want to use the outdoor shower because of the spider they saw in it the previous visit, there is no connection to Facebook as there is no signal and the list goes on.
We have seen many friendly and well meaning people take ownership of blocks in this area, and we have seen most of them leave because the truth about the hardships of living in a rural area away from all of the amenities of the big cities did not enter into their calculations. Owning a block of land in a rural area several hours drive from where you live and work sounds nice when hearing others talk about it, but here in the summer it is hot and dry, in the winter it is cold and wet. We suffer from bush fires and floods. Those of us who make the rural areas our homes for the long term have houses with hot showers and fires that warm us in the winter. Many of us do not have mains power, those that do are the envied by the rest of us as they can run air conditioners in the summer. The rest of us suffer.
We would not give up this life easily and neither would many of those around us. We took the time to set up our homes, we either worked or still work in the area and we have joined the groups and organisations that make a community work. In times of hardship I believe that the community would band together to overcome any hardship that were to confront us.
We would welcome other families into the area, but as I said, many of the newcomers arrive with unrealistic expectations and are usually still tied to the city life either by their employment of their children's perceived needs.
I apologise if any of the remarks I made in my previous post offended anyone but I will say it again ‘be realistic about what you are trying to achieve’.
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Post by shinester on Jan 21, 2015 22:05:38 GMT 10
Heck you don't need to own the places, or have a perfect plan, I rent and my two bug out locations are owned by people I know, who would be there for me, particularly if I show up with food and security.
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Post by stubbs on Jan 22, 2015 9:42:40 GMT 10
This : Stream that runs practically all year (this photo was taken in the height of summer in 38 degree temps, decent tree coverage, hills which can be used for scouting and seeing people from far off (the one in this picture in the background has about a 2k view each way of open grasslands and all the points a vehicle could get in from. backs onto 8,000 acres of scrub country if things should go south, gets too relatively low and sometimes sub zero temps in winter so there's lots of available water sources. and is roughly 4 hour drive from home but I could get there in about 1 if it was a WROL situation, there's also an abundance of game like pigs,goats,rabbits,foxes,deer and sometimes feral cats and hare. Gimme a sleeping bag 500 rounds of 7.62x54r and a Mosin and I reckon I could go for years.
This Pic brings back old memories,....it looks very similar to our BOL before the recent fires in S.A went through and destroyed it ! on top of that we just had the biggest storm cell in 30 years hit the same location. Creek is now full of ash and fire retardant that has been washed into it from the rain run-off and all the wild life has gone !! Oh well,...back to square 1...lol
4 Sale, 1 used BOL.
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Post by graynomad on Jan 22, 2015 11:32:44 GMT 10
I love the Australian bush, but it can be a real bastard at times.
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Post by Fractus on Jan 22, 2015 19:47:32 GMT 10
Prior to the peninsula we had 70 acres with altitude,creek, we ran sheep, steers, and chooks. Had a house etc etc. as pete 42 said it was hard to get kids up there and growing vegs was impossible. Now our location is not perfect, but at least we have all we need to survive most serious situations.
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