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Post by VegHead on Sept 26, 2015 13:06:50 GMT 10
Barley, buckwheat (very quick to mature 4-6 weeks), lucerne, maize, millet, oats, rye, triticale, wheat, clover/pasture, kale (they love kale!!), and Amaranth. Hope this helps.
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Post by gasman on Sept 26, 2015 14:36:38 GMT 10
Barley, buckwheat (very quick to mature 4-6 weeks), lucerne, maize, millet, oats, rye, triticale, wheat, clover/pasture, kale (they love kale!!), and Amaranth. Hope this helps.
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Post by gasman on Sept 26, 2015 14:37:55 GMT 10
How much land would this take up veg We grow a lot of vegies but I have no experience with grains
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Post by VegHead on Sept 26, 2015 15:10:34 GMT 10
I guess would depend on how many chickens you'd be running, soil type, fertility … etc. Sorry mate, but there can never be any set answer. Grown in succession you could manage year round feed for them. Grains, though, can be grown intensively (like my oat crop) so you can jam a lot of crop into a small area IF the land can support it. No good burning your soil out in the process. Lucerne (alfalfa) and clover can all be grown as a lawn or pasture so you can get the chickens onto a salad bar so to speak. Sometimes we grow their feed right in their run bit put close knit wire netting about three inches or so above the ground level; the chickens can eat the tops without destroying the plant itself and the plant just keep coming through (and the chooks add fertility by pooping through the wire!).
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Post by Fractus on Oct 20, 2015 16:51:15 GMT 10
Got about 25 chicks out of batch. Now have 27 Pekin duck eggs in there incubater.
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Post by Fractus on Oct 21, 2015 16:11:08 GMT 10
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Post by Fractus on Nov 19, 2015 15:53:04 GMT 10
Not quite meat chickens but entirely edible. I am going to try selling them and gasman has persuaded me to try breeding meat chooks for sale. i will then have a seed flock to be self sustaining and get some more $$ in to support the flocks as I diversify a little as I learn
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Post by thereth on Nov 19, 2015 15:59:47 GMT 10
I would have thought for chooks, ducks and maybe a goat or 3 a 1/4 acre of corn and another 1/4 acre of oats/barley wiukd be sufficient?
I am trying to find more info on yields per acre etc but it all seems to be oreientated towards broad acre farming
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Post by thereth on Nov 19, 2015 16:04:03 GMT 10
Sorry didnt see the second page.
Looking good there mate. We have heaps of ppl around here flogging off chooks, one lady wont even come to town if she has less than 200 pre sold
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Post by Fractus on Jan 24, 2016 12:33:28 GMT 10
Just got an email from prepper so journal. Again they point to chooks as a great back up. I have to say that there is so much more to self sufficiency with chooks and eggs. In an earlier thread I mentioned so of the logistics of meat chooks. How many you need etc. It must be front and centre of the thinking that commercial egg laying breeds do not go clucky and sit on eggs, in my experience ever ever ever. They lay fantastic for about a year and then they slow down to normal breed rates and die at about 2 year plus. Some will live longer but my point is without an incubator and electricity you will starve if that is your whole plan. My current situation is only slightly better. I have a utility breed (Wyandotte) that occasionally go clucky. Fingers crossed I will have some meat birds that also are reasonable layers (Sussex) plus now ducks (Pekin) that lay very well and are quite tasty and quick growing. This is all of little value if I cannot incubate the egg on demand. There are chooks that are almost always clucky and I will have to get that sorted to consider eggs and chicken as a sustainable food source. I suppose this reiterates the bleeding obvious.... Practise practise now while mistakes only cost time and a little embarrassment.
But if you put 4 chooks in your back yard you will at least have a supply of egg while you work out the rest
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Post by shinester on Jan 26, 2016 3:59:36 GMT 10
They're energy hungry for sure. They're not real measurements but a starting point to work out a solar system A 5W incubator system, based on above, that is, it's on half the time [we need real measurements] in the middle of winter [July] in Vic needs a 40W panel [new $60], charge controller [$12] and you might scrape by with a 14Ah USB gel-battery, though since it's critical [only 2 days reserve] I'd recommend about 70Ah, a decent second hand one goes for about $70. Familyprepper has 40W panels at a good price second hand. The other option is to just have enough batteries available or charge them with other means. A 40W system is basically x8 above. ------- Another idea I had was a solar hot water set up that had a tap that was thermostatically controlled [and then let water flow, attempting to equalize temperature]. You would obviously need some water heated up by the sun for it to work. ------- .. and finally, what I consider to be the most viable, www.paratusfamiliablog.com/2014/03/off-grid-chicks.htmlAnother example. www.nation.co.ke/business/seedsofgold/Kerosene-and-gas-incubators-make-hatching-easy/-/2301238/2718068/-/7ptv3w/-/index.html
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Post by token on Oct 22, 2016 18:31:21 GMT 10
I might be able to assist in this area with some knowledge and or birds if your still after such.
I am a bit of a mad scientist in this field tbh and have been working on selective breeding a dual purpose bird that goes clucky, lays eggs prolifically, puts on weight up to 16 weeks quite well, is drought tolerant and free ranging.
I can drop my feed bill by at least 4/5ths through mainly compost. Ive learned a lot over the years about chooks, and not there yet, but every year im getting better and my birds are too.
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Post by VegHead on Oct 22, 2016 18:59:06 GMT 10
I'm interested.
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Post by token on Oct 22, 2016 19:13:03 GMT 10
Where in Vic are you mate?
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Post by Fractus on Oct 23, 2016 9:30:38 GMT 10
I am interested also
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Post by token on Oct 23, 2016 15:33:28 GMT 10
no probs, shoot me a pm, and we will chat about your needs and ill see if i can help. btw, any member on the forum, provided i have stock can have some for free, if they make a small donation to keep the forum going which brought us all together, thats all i ask. Where i have other folk who have animals and i dont have it, i will attempt to set you up with a very good deal and put you in touch. Just be aware, with my chooks at present, i have different levels of my breeding program going on, and i just got rid of 60 odd birds due to moving properties, so you 'might' have to wait, and you can then move forward with your own selective breeding program and keep logs of your results which i will be very interested in.
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