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Post by ygidorp on Jun 9, 2016 11:09:41 GMT 10
This is a question that I'm working through currently. There doesn't seem to be a lot of guidelines to answer this question immediately available on a google search I have taken the information on the Wilderness Survival website and converted it to a spreadsheet format that allows one to increase/decrease the number of heads and apply a percentage reduction factor to take into account 3/4, 1/2 and 1/4 rations. I've attached it here thinking that some people may find this interesting as a self-check or, for those starting out like me, as a good starting point guide. Also good for simulation of how rationing can extend lifespan of supplies.
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Post by Fractus on Jun 9, 2016 11:40:59 GMT 10
Are you sure you aren't shinster ? Spread sheets are his first love...
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Post by ygidorp on Jun 9, 2016 12:00:26 GMT 10
I just got frustrated at plugging things into a calculator. It was kinda shocking how much 1 person eats in 3 months, so I wanted to run some simulations.
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Post by Fractus on Jun 9, 2016 12:06:22 GMT 10
Yeah you are right there. I counted up how many I thought would arrive on my door step and then thought about how many kilos of beans rice etc and the eggs and mutton and realised I need to win Tatts first then the Shi.. Can hit it.
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Post by krull68 on Jun 9, 2016 12:48:58 GMT 10
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Post by myrrph on Jun 9, 2016 12:51:59 GMT 10
also for purpose.
If its survival, you don't need the full 2000 cal... but if its for long term, may want to look into hunting/fishing/trapping/growing to supplement.
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Post by ygidorp on Jun 9, 2016 13:08:24 GMT 10
also for purpose. If its survival, you don't need the full 2000 cal... but if its for long term, may want to look into hunting/fishing/trapping/growing to supplement. Yep definitely working on the growing part. There's no way storing that many kg of vegetables and fruit is going to pan out. That leaves growing/foraging.
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Post by ygidorp on Jun 9, 2016 13:14:39 GMT 10
Whilst this can be applied to some smaller units like canned food, I like the idea of sealing away some units for long term storage. This means a fixed reserve that isn't at risk of being depleted eg by laziness when stocks are low. At the moment, this sealed stock comprises rice and pasta. I'm looking to get some beans as well. I understand when stored in mylar with O2 absorbers, these items will last up to 30 years. I'm intending to open them at about the 20 year mark to rotate them out.
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 9, 2016 13:35:32 GMT 10
A few times over the past years I have put my family on rations that were available during ww2 in the Uk! It was designed to keep people healthy as possible on what the government was able to guarantee on rations. Any thing else was on a points system depending on the availability! Of course people were encouraged to grow their own vegies etc! So you could base your store on this as it has already proven to work out ok (even if people where not too happy on it)! In fact try putting your family on it for a week or two and see how you go! (I had all my older children with me and my son in law at one time we did this, and taking them all to the shop to get their 90gms of sweets or chocolate for the week was fun to watch, young adults taking their time to choose carefully what they wanted to have!)
Allowances per week (this is per person)
1) Bacon/Ham 125gms 2) Meat 500gms (this became smaller as time went on) 3) Eggs 1 4) Butter/Marg 185gms 5) Ghee/Lard 60gms 6) Cheese 60gms 7) Milk 2 liters 8) Jam/Preserves 125gms 9) Sugar 250gms 10) Sweets 90gms 11) Tea/Coffee 60gms 12) Custard/Mousse 1 box every so often 13) Dried eggs 1 Container/month 14) Dried milk 1 tin/month
Alternatives: Combine cheese and butter ration to make 245gms, which can be split between butter, cheese and yoghurt.
Non-Rationed foods:
Vegies (you were encouraged to eat a lot of potatos and carrots) Fruit (mainly fruits like apples and berries in spring, oranges were hard to get and no bananas were seen during the war)! Lucky us here Flour Bread Fish (if you can afford it) Chicken (if you can afford it)
Food on points:
You are allocated 24 points per month to spend on other foods. The points can change from time to time depending on availability of food. Food point values on following pages.
A family of four would have a total of 96 points per month or 24 points per week. Discuss with family on how you will spend your points.
Eating out is not rationed but can be expensive so limit it.
Dried (points per 500gms)
Rice/Pasta 8 Currants 16 Sultanas 8 Biscuits (dry) 2 Sweet (sweet) 4 Rolled Oats 2 Dried Beans 16 Dried Peas/Lentils 16 Spices 4 Gravy Powder 4 Stock Powder 4 Arrowroot/Baking Powder 4 Nuts 12 Cereal 8 Milo/Cocoa 18
Frozen (points per 500gms)
Peas/Corn 14 Beans 12 Frozen Berries 8
Canned (points per 400gms) Sardines 2 Baked Beans 2 Stewed Steak 20 Tuna 20 Spam/Corned Meat 12 Tomatoes 16 Pears + Peaches 16 Pears + Peaches lge 21 Pineapple 18 Pineapple lge 24 Juice per 600mls 15 Soup sml tin 6 Tomato Paste/Tamari/Mustard 15 Olive Oil 4 Vegemite 8
Notes (Clothing/Toiletries)
Clothing
Clothing coupons are 24 per 6 months. Children were allowed about 34 0r 36!
Toiletries
Toiletry coupons are 4 per month.
WOMEN
Undies 3 Petticoat 3 Singlet top 3 1 pr.Socks 2 1 pr.stockings 2 2 Handkerchiefs 1 Nightdress 6 Pyjamas 8
Slippers 5 Shoes 9
T Shirt/ Top 5 Dress 7 Jacket 13
Shorts/Skirt 6 Jeans/Pants 8 Jumper 10
MEN:
Undies 4 1 pr.Socks 2 Shoes 7 2 Handkerchiefs 1 Singlet 3 Vest 3 Shirt 7 T Shirt/ Top 5 Shorts 6 Jeans/Pants 8 Pyjamas 8 Slippers 5 Tie 1
Jacket 13
Suit 26 Jumper 10
TOILETRIES:
90gm bar of soap 1 100gm toothpaste 1 Small Deodorant 1 Large Deodorant 2 Moisturizer 2 Small Shampoo 1 Large Shampoo 2 Small Conditioner 1 Large Conditioner 2
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Post by jo on Jun 9, 2016 17:54:48 GMT 10
Remmy sounds like my mum's diet growing up. Every meal they had bread fried in dripping, for breaky they had a small piece of bread with jam and cream, lunch was bread dripping and whatever was left over boiling in the pot from yesterday and dinner was veg from the garden and whatever fish my grandfather caught the night before ( he was a house builder by day and fished by night and my uncles when they were old enough trapped rabbits) everything was fresh out of the garden or preserved/canned/jammed. Mum got her first pair of shoes at the age of 7 to go to school (second hand which was quite common in those days) .... imagine 7 year olds having to live like that today lol
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Post by remnantprep on Jun 9, 2016 19:33:01 GMT 10
Oh my Jo for sure! I remember times in my younger days (No I am not that old yet AUS) when there was very little money! At one time in my early teens mum had me and my 2 of my sisters plus a couple of our friends living with us, and all we could afford for shopping was a block of cheese, some 2 min noodles, tinned tomato and a bag of oranges! Really though 2 min noodles with cheese and tomato was ok to eat! HAHA
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Post by myrrph on Jun 9, 2016 19:40:23 GMT 10
2min noodles with cheese is heavenly.
perfect comfort food.
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Post by jo on Jun 9, 2016 20:37:58 GMT 10
It is amazing what tastes good when we are hungry..... just 2 min noodles by themselves while not that nutritious certainly fills a hole till the next main meal or can make a great side dish ..... stir fried veges,a bit of soy and 2 min noodles has got me through a few nights as a student/poor hospitality worker and is very yum
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Post by Peter on Jun 9, 2016 22:40:32 GMT 10
"Hunger is the best sauce"
- Anon.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 10, 2016 11:23:05 GMT 10
brilliant idea. I would go with 5kg packs though since I'm asian and rice is my staple.
But that said.. Jo.. you should try simmered cabbage with carrot. Its a simple and nutritious dish. So what you do is
1. shred the cabbage 2. julienne or cube the carrots 3. Boil some water in a pot/saucepan, about 0.5cm of water is sufficient 4. once the water starts boiling, add carrots 5. about 2 mins later, add the shredded cabbage, cover. salt to taste.
depending on how crunchy or soft you like your carrots and cabbage, time for that. The missus likes soft cabbage and carrots so we cook it for a longer time.
If you don't want to add too much salt and you have silver fish, asian dried shrimp, asian dried scallops or asian dried squid, you can add that before the carrots.
Tastiness depends on how much of the ingredients you add. but the broth and veges should taste sweet (from the cabbage and carrots).
Have this with white rice.
oh I should've done this in Frank's food forum... lol
edit: wrong person, should've been frank. Copy and pasted to food forum.
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Post by myrrph on Jun 10, 2016 11:33:58 GMT 10
yeah i get what you mean. for us, its just more economical to buy 5kg packs. We use dried chilli to keep the weevils out.
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Post by Peter on Jun 10, 2016 11:35:03 GMT 10
We use dried chilli to keep the weevils out. Awesome tip - thanks for that.
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Post by Peter on Jun 10, 2016 11:40:22 GMT 10
Another highly nutritious traditional method of preservation is fermentation - such as is discussed at ausprepforum.proboards.com/thread/2685/fermented-sauerkraut-sauerrubenIf left in the Fido jar (unopened) it will last months at room temperature, getting better all the time. Once opened it must be kept in a cool place (ie cellar or fridge) or it'll spoil in a few days. This is why so many cultures have fermented foods as part of their diets. That, and it's darned tasty.
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Post by Ammo9 on Jun 10, 2016 12:53:22 GMT 10
Do you up end the barrel so it's first in first out or do you use them fairly quickly?
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Post by shinester on Jun 10, 2016 15:57:17 GMT 10
Are you sure you aren't shinster ? Spread sheets are his first love... Ha... not my first love, though top 10 .. and I did check his. 'Actually' looks balanced [most lists are terrible] and close enough to RDIs, about 1 million KJs which is indeed about 3 months for an adult man.
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