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Post by Joey on Jul 16, 2016 11:19:55 GMT 10
France under bimonthly attack Coup in Turkey Americans revolting over black lives matter Syria middle East in general, ISIS. China flexing it muscles in the South China Sea militarizing it. And North Korea threatening South Korea with the US having nearly 30 000 military personnel there since the Korean war & going to build air defence stations. Breakaway Russian States, that's gone quiet lately but I'm sure it's still going on, you remember when they shot down that passenger plane? Not to mention the forever ongoing wars and genocides across Africa.
Am I missing anything? Just feels like the world is a tinder box, 1 spark & the whole thing is going to go up.
If this is not the most important time to start prepping, I don't know
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Post by shinester on Jul 16, 2016 15:07:27 GMT 10
Not that these are perfect plans, though seemingly obvious and a better direction;
France - stop Muslim immigrantion, push back against anyone not following 'French' values in any way and deport any Muslim who is convicted for a criminal action. Send their family too for that matter. The Russians had a similar policy that worked against terrorists, though theirs was much harsher, they would kill them all. Turkey - Was a mess, will still be a mess, basically who cares, let them work out their own problems. US - tell the public the truth, that blacks commit crimes at 6.5 times the rate of whites and that per capita of crime/police murders means blacks are shot half as many times. Also point out that BLM is racist towards whites in many ways. Shame on them. Syria - who cares, get out and let them ruin their own country so that can learn the lessens that Europe did about religion China - trade sanctions will kill their 'faked' economy and bring them to their knees almost over night, exposing the massively corrupt system to their own people rather quickly. In stopping trading with them, plenty of other Asian countries nearby can pick up the reins and prosper, at least their 'dollar' is real. Russian States - not sure
The world's a mess but telling the public the 'truth' will allow easy solutions to be found. Unfortunately it's better for the press and governments to distort reality for easier manipulation.
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 16, 2016 15:10:05 GMT 10
It sure is Joey! All these things can destabilise the economy and lead to war! I feel we are already in WW3 but it just hasn't been declared as such. The current climates is very similar to that which preceded both WW1 and WW2!
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 16, 2016 15:24:48 GMT 10
("Syria - who cares, get out and let them ruin their own country so that can learn the lessens that Europe did about religion")
THE cause of the Syrian conflict had nothing to do with religion at all, it was after the Arab spring and the west trying to topple Assad that ISIS came onto the world stage! They have taken advantage of a weakened Middle East!
(from Wiki) The Arab Spring is widely believed to have been instigated by dissatisfaction with the rule of local governments, particularly by youth and unions, though some have speculated that wide gaps in income levels may have had a hand as well.[22]
Other analysts pointed to the fourth stage "Toppling the Regimes" of the Al Qaeda strategy for world domination, described in Fouad Hussein's book published in 2005.[23]
Numerous factors led to the protests, including issues such as dictatorship or absolute monarchy,[24] human rights violations, political corruption (demonstrated by Wikileaks diplomatic cables),[25] economic decline, unemployment, extreme poverty, and a number of demographic structural factors,[26] such as a large percentage of educated but dissatisfied youth within the entire population.[27][28] Catalysts for the revolts in all Northern African and Persian Gulf countries included the concentration of wealth in the hands of autocrats in power for decades, insufficient transparency of its redistribution, corruption, and especially the refusal of the youth to accept the status quo.[29]
Some protesters looked to the Turkish model as an ideal (contested but peaceful elections, fast-growing but liberal economy, secular constitution but Islamist government).[30][31][32][33] Other analysts blamed the rise in food prices on commodity traders and the conversion of crops to ethanol.[34] Yet others have claimed that the context of high rates of unemployment and corrupt political regimens led to dissent movements within the region.[35][36]
The causes of the Arab Spring may also be interpreted through the lenses of various theories of revolution and democratization, including Relative Deprivation Theory[37][38][39] and Modernization Theory[40][41][42]
Syria[edit] Main article: Secularism in Syria The process of secularization in Syria began under the French mandate in the 1920s and went on continuously under different governments since the independence. Syria has been governed by the Arab nationalist Ba'ath Party since 1963. The Ba'ath government combined Arab socialism with secular ideology and an authoritarian political system. The constitution guarantees religious freedom for every recognized religious communities, including many Christian denominations. All schools are government-run and non-sectarian, although there is mandatory religious instruction, provided in Islam and/or Christianity. Political forms of Islam are not tolerated by the government. The Syrian legal system is primarily based on civil law, and was heavily influenced by the period of French rule. It is also drawn in part from Egyptian law of Abdel Nasser, quite from the Ottoman Millet system and very little from Sharia. Syria has separate secular and religious courts. Civil and criminal cases are heard in secular courts, while the Sharia courts handle personal, family, and religious matters in cases between Muslims or between Muslims and non-Muslims.[77] Non-Muslim communities have their own religious courts using their own religious law.[78]
Muslim Brotherhood of Syria is Sunni Islamist force in Syria and very loosely affiliated to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. It has also been called the "dominant group" or "dominant force" in the Arab Spring uprising in Syria.[79] The group's stated political positions are moderate and in its most recent April 2012 manifesto it "pledges to respect individual rights", to promote pluralism and democracy.[80][81])wiki)
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Post by Joey on Jul 16, 2016 16:07:20 GMT 10
Only problem with trade sanctions with China, is it will backfire on us, since the past governments have done such a stand up job protecting our own manufacturing industry, everything on our side will suffer hard.
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Post by Chloe on Jul 16, 2016 16:08:47 GMT 10
I'll just say wow to some of these comments lol
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Post by jo on Jul 16, 2016 16:29:51 GMT 10
Hey Joey how about the fact that we have just (and I mean just) voted in a government that probably doesnt give a rats about the bigger picture but will want to micromanage "the people" to death and americans are caught between a rock and a hard place ... basically Hillary or Trump that situation no matter how it ends is not going to end well
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Post by paranoia on Jul 16, 2016 16:47:14 GMT 10
There are definately a lot of things going on right now pointing towards us heading towards big changes in the coming year. I dont think we're even looking for a spark to ser things off, these things just running their course will come to a crossroads soon.
One point not mentioned in this thread yet is the rise of the pokemon, this recent development bothers me... I thought we put that to bed years ago!
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Post by Frank on Jul 16, 2016 17:23:16 GMT 10
Am I missing anything? Just feels like the world is a tinder box, 1 spark & the whole thing is going to go up. If this is not the most important time to start prepping, I don't know I couldn't agree more Joey
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Post by Chloe on Jul 16, 2016 17:25:25 GMT 10
iPad isn't letting me quote paranoia, but I know some people are being stupid with Pokemon and letting young kids out alone at night to play. But as a young adult I've had loads of fun running around (while being road safe) and have never had as much fun while exercising before. Walked 6kms which is decent for me while having fun with it can't be a bad thing.
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 16, 2016 18:12:19 GMT 10
I think that the govt's (imho) won't tell us the truth as it may cause a mass hysteria? ? I do agree with the sentiments above though! I do believe that the Arab uprisings were part of a US strategy to overthrow those current regimes, and hoped to install a pro US regime. It failed, and now look at the turmoil in Iraq, Libya, Egypt and Syria. The reason - OIL!!!! Nothing more, nothing less. Same in South China Sea - its resources!! Including OIL!!! Now, I'm not the sharpest tool in any mans' shed, but I do see a distinct pattern going on here. And, if it hits the fan, we will be drawn in, as we need OIL too!!!
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Post by paranoia on Jul 16, 2016 18:28:52 GMT 10
Whilst my comment was tongue in cheek... The fact we have all this going on in the world and i have to listen to stories about pokemon on supposedly 'serious' news outlets does bother me... I understand there may be some benefit to gaming that insentivises excercise and seeing the world... But the fact the latest trend in mobile gaming is a system that tracks and records locational data (I understand this is not new to mobile gaming, but the scale concerns me) leaves me wondering how far this will go. This has data-mining ramifications along with privicy concerns. Will be interesting to see the first law inforcment request for this data. iPad isn't letting me quote paranoia, but I know some people are being stupid with Pokemon and letting young kids out alone at night to play. But as a young adult I've had loads of fun running around (while being road safe) and have never had as much fun while exercising before. Walked 6kms which is decent for me while having fun with it can't be a bad thing.
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Post by Joey on Jul 16, 2016 18:34:26 GMT 10
Whilst my comment was tongue in cheek... The fact we have all this going on in the world and i have to listen to stories about pokemon on supposedly 'serious' news outlets does bother me... I understand there may be some benefit to gaming that insentivises excercise and seeing the world... But the fact the latest trend in mobile gaming is a system that tracks and records locational data (I understand this is not new to mobile gaming, but the scale concerns me) leaves me wondering how far this will go. This has data-mining ramifications along with privicy concerns. That's why when I'm not playing ingress, I make sure all my GPS functions are turned off on my phone, and I hardly play it anymore as it is
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Post by graynomad on Jul 16, 2016 20:45:01 GMT 10
My phone doesn't have GPS And as for Pokemon...
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Post by SA Hunter on Jul 16, 2016 22:40:44 GMT 10
that's why I have an old Nokia!!!!!
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Post by graynomad on Jul 16, 2016 22:50:59 GMT 10
Yeah I have a $29 Telstra ZTE, does all I need.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 16, 2016 23:00:13 GMT 10
Thats what I bought for the wife! She got sick of the smart phones... I on the other hand use a lumia 950XL... Huge brick windows 10 phone. Use it more than I use my laptop... All email/forum work takes place on the phone. Would struggle going back to a desktop! Yeah I have a $29 Telstra ZTE, does all I need.
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Post by shinester on Jul 17, 2016 13:00:54 GMT 10
("Syria - who cares, get out and let them ruin their own country so that can learn the lessens that Europe did about religion") THE cause of the Syrian conflict had nothing to do with religion at all, it was after the Arab spring and the west trying to topple Assad that ISIS came onto the world stage! They have taken advantage of a weakened Middle East! (CNN) - How did Syria go from an internal uprising to a wider clash drawing funding and fighters from across the region?
In a word, Middle East experts say, religion.
Shiite Muslims from Lebanon, Iraq and Iran have flooded into Syria to defend sacred sites and President Bashar al-Assad's embattled regime. Sunni Muslims, some affiliated with al Qaeda, have rushed in to join rebels, most of whom are Sunni.
Both sides use religious rhetoric as a rallying cry, calling each other "infidels" and "Satan's army."
"That is why it has become so muddy," said professor Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma. "The theological question has returned to the center."
That's not to say that the warring parties are fighting over, say, the definition of God.
But the United Nations, in a series of reports, has warned with mounting urgency that the battle lines in Syria are being drawn along sectarian - that is, religious - lines. Both sides fear that whoever wins power will wipe out the loser.
"The conflict has become increasingly sectarian, with the conduct of the parties becoming significantly more radicalized and militarized," the UN said earlier this year. - SourceThe UN said it's religious, so assuming they have experts and on the ground info, I'll have to side with them over wiki. Obviously it's been various things, though I think underlying was the countries unhappiness and conflict with two different [and opposed] versions of the same religion, very much like the European Religious Wars of 1524 to 1648, that was one factor that lead to the age of enlightenment to which I refer. Some lessons are hard to learn and the cost of involving ourselves with other people's wars has been very high in many ways. I'm constantly telling my clients to not take responsibility for other people's actions and it seems that there's this sentiment that we have to, or it's somehow good to. It's not. I care very much about the people of Syria, that's why 'they' need to work it out and talk it out, but that's not going to happen if they're getting supplies, ammo, guns and everything else to keep them killing one another over what is, at least to my mind, made up by a murdering, delusional, illiterate, raping warlord. Ha, feel free to share your thoughts if you like, I for one love perspective and I'm always happy to be wrong or mistaken if I am.
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Post by paranoia on Jul 17, 2016 13:29:56 GMT 10
While I do think religion can play a role in these things it is rarely the true cause in my opinion. Most of the time denomination or sect is determined by family history and regional factors.
These tribal/political power struggles always exist and the fact different methods are used to define the "in" and "out" group does not mean they are the true cause of the struggle.
Religion, race, nationalism ect are all used as ideas and ideologies to herd people into conflict. It is often a small few power brokers trying to keep or take control that lead to these events and I feel for anyone but those leaders, be they political or religious figures, to determine a specific "cause" is pure speculation regardless of what the fighters on the ground tell the "experts"...
I'll keep my religious opinions out of this thread and just say there will always be a group of people following their darker self; chasing power, money and resource control.
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Post by remnantprep on Jul 17, 2016 16:28:11 GMT 10
("Syria - who cares, get out and let them ruin their own country so that can learn the lessens that Europe did about religion") THE cause of the Syrian conflict had nothing to do with religion at all, it was after the Arab spring and the west trying to topple Assad that ISIS came onto the world stage! They have taken advantage of a weakened Middle East! (CNN) - How did Syria go from an internal uprising to a wider clash drawing funding and fighters from across the region?
In a word, Middle East experts say, religion.
Shiite Muslims from Lebanon, Iraq and Iran have flooded into Syria to defend sacred sites and President Bashar al-Assad's embattled regime. Sunni Muslims, some affiliated with al Qaeda, have rushed in to join rebels, most of whom are Sunni.
Both sides use religious rhetoric as a rallying cry, calling each other "infidels" and "Satan's army."
"That is why it has become so muddy," said professor Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma. "The theological question has returned to the center."
That's not to say that the warring parties are fighting over, say, the definition of God.
But the United Nations, in a series of reports, has warned with mounting urgency that the battle lines in Syria are being drawn along sectarian - that is, religious - lines. Both sides fear that whoever wins power will wipe out the loser.
"The conflict has become increasingly sectarian, with the conduct of the parties becoming significantly more radicalized and militarized," the UN said earlier this year. - SourceThe UN said it's religious, so assuming they have experts and on the ground info, I'll have to side with them over wiki. Obviously it's been various things, though I think underlying was the countries unhappiness and conflict with two different [and opposed] versions of the same religion, very much like the European Religious Wars of 1524 to 1648, that was one factor that lead to the age of enlightenment to which I refer. Some lessons are hard to learn and the cost of involving ourselves with other people's wars has been very high in many ways. I'm constantly telling my clients to not take responsibility for other people's actions and it seems that there's this sentiment that we have to, or it's somehow good to. It's not. I care very much about the people of Syria, that's why 'they' need to work it out and talk it out, but that's not going to happen if they're getting supplies, ammo, guns and everything else to keep them killing one another over what is, at least to my mind, made up by a murdering, delusional, illiterate, raping warlord. Ha, feel free to share your thoughts if you like, I for one love perspective and I'm always happy to be wrong or mistaken if I am. The original cause of the Syrian conflict and the wider Arab Spring was because of the peoples dissatisfaction with their governments, at this time several Wikileaks documents were released about these governments! WikiLeaks released a ton of classified U.S. State Department cables exposing the U.S. role in propping up unpopular regimes. The result of this was civil war in Syria and other issues across the Mid East! The various religious groups have come in to take advantage of the situation!
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