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Post by Joey on Oct 24, 2016 23:42:18 GMT 10
So can we talk about it yet? I must say this episode is the darkest out of all episodes.
Yeah overall, there is so much they should be doing to set themselves up better, but that would be too boring for the general viewer. Season 3 sucked balls with almost the whole series on just character building at the farm. You would imagine by the amount of time that they have had to be surviving out there, they would have become stone hard killers by now and take no shit from anybody, bone of this new age touchy feely shit.
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Post by Peter on Oct 25, 2016 0:06:49 GMT 10
Talk away. Those of us who don't want spoilers can ignore this thread, I'm sure.
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Post by PlanZ on Oct 25, 2016 1:17:15 GMT 10
Just watched the latest episode. Crickey! If you happen to be going through some tough times in your life, this will help you put things in perspective!
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Post by shinester on Oct 25, 2016 6:29:00 GMT 10
Before we dump spoilers, might want to change the title to include a warning, aka 'walking dead spoilers', Token Otherwise, I'm all for it as it gives an example of a possible scenario.
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Post by token on Oct 25, 2016 6:57:47 GMT 10
Before we dump spoilers, might want to change the title to include a warning, aka 'walking dead spoilers', Token Otherwise, I'm all for it as it gives an example of a possible scenario. Spoiler alert added guys. Go for it. It was an interesting watch imo. I'm still processing how i felt, and or my reactions tbh. I think Rick made a mistake with the 'im gunna kill you' line. Fact is, when your in that position id be looking for any moment of opp to take out Neagan as hes just a bloke, nothing special, to possibly take over the leadership through such. Although that might not work and his men might kill others, so not sure whether there was an opp, in the van i saw a plenty, gun or no gun from Neagan, one still had opportunities there. Back to the line of 'im gunna kill you', i would have played submission from that point and started the hostage negotiation style giving him what he wants playing subservient and broken. Time is whats needed to plan. Im not sure whether im a bit of a hard nut but when it comes to surviving something such as that, i dont think id be having flash backs on the roof of a truck for a while at that time. It would be to survive and save some others and to grieve later, but alas, thats just what my emotions and mind tell me now, maybe id be a slobbering baby. Its going to be an interesting season.
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Post by shinester on Oct 25, 2016 8:31:51 GMT 10
Getting into the situation in the first place... I could say so much, though I will focus on the scenario presented.
I teach my clients fairly frequently about the use of anger, how anger can and should be used. I often deal with people who have been abused and teaching them to be angry with people who as a child might harm them [which is often why they can't be angry] isn't a good deal, rather I teach them the trick of 'inner anger', that is being angry without expressing it outwardly. The distinction here is your outwardly complicit, yet inwardly fuming with rage, waiting for the right moment. In this case with Rick we see an inability to do so, despite it being a good idea, yet I find that hard to imagine that being realistic as he was a police officer who would have been annoyed many times in his duty, yet had to hold back on that expression. Having said that we have what we have, his ego outwitting his intelligence. The cost? 1 extra death and an imprisonment of one of his best assets. Losing a battle isn't losing a war. I know most of this is obvious of course.
Then there's a question of fighting back, the costs are clear. Is it worth it? You could run and go a very long way with very little further cost. With poor communications and seemingly a few hundred at most in his network, there's going to be a limit of areas of influence, traveling a couple of hundred kms/miles I consider to be a viable plan. Of course this ought to have been already planned, bug out vehicles ready and loaded for escape at a moments notice as well as the plan being known to everyone that if such a scenario happened that's exactly what they would do, aka everyone's ok with being left behind for the good of the group if no other choices are available, though I digress. It wouldn't be great to leave someone behind, though it might be the better decision in the longer term than trying to fight so many who are well resourced or submitting and being effectively enslaved and potentially killed at any moment, rather you fight, run or die than spend it on your knees.
What if they did fight? Clearly some allies are needed and head on without the numbers would be suicidal. Who can you actually trust? I would think that a wiser action would be a simple one, to comply and go along with things until such time as an opportunity presented itself to take out the leader. The obvious solution to my mind is a scoped rifle, we have seen that other areas had spears because they had no ammunition/weapons, presumably because they were taken, so pre-planning with that intel is essential, hiding much of their cache essential! The snake without it's head will twitch, particularly as he rules via fear, infighting for the position would most likely happen. He has lots of potential enemies, has a great deal of confidence which sure is because of the power behind him, but it rests greatly on him ruling with an iron fist. Whilst the next guy will be just as bad [probably] the group would most likely fracture due to infighting and fights for the leadership, weakening them, perhaps enough.
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Post by token on Oct 25, 2016 8:44:46 GMT 10
Getting into the situation in the first place... I could say so much, though I will focus on the scenario presented. I teach my clients fairly frequently about the use of anger, how anger can and should be used. I often deal with people who have been abused and teaching them to be angry with people who as a child might harm them [which is often why they can't be angry] isn't a good deal, rather I teach them the trick of 'inner anger', that is being angry without expressing it outwardly. The distinction here is your outwardly complicit, yet inwardly fuming with rage, waiting for the right moment. In this case with Rick we see an inability to do so, despite it being a good idea, yet I find that hard to imagine that being realistic as he was a police officer who would have been annoyed many times in his duty, yet had to hold back on that expression. Having said that we have what we have, his ego outwitting his intelligence. The cost? 1 extra death and an imprisonment of one of his best assets. Losing a battle isn't losing a war. I know most of this is obvious of course. Then there's a question of fighting back, the costs are clear. Is it worth it? You could run and go a very long way with very little further cost. With poor communications and seemingly a few hundred at most in his network, there's going to be a limit of areas of influence, traveling a couple of hundred kms/miles I consider to be a viable plan. Of course this ought to have been already planned, bug out vehicles ready and loaded for escape at a moments notice as well as the plan being known to everyone that if such a scenario happened that's exactly what they would do, aka everyone's ok with being left behind for the good of the group if no other choices are available, though I digress. It wouldn't be great to leave someone behind, though it might be the better decision in the longer term than trying to fight so many who are well resourced or submitting and being effectively enslaved and potentially killed at any moment, rather you fight, run or die than spend it on your knees. What if they did fight? Clearly some allies are needed and head on without the numbers would be suicidal. Who can you actually trust? I would think that a wiser action would be a simple one, to comply and go along with things until such time as an opportunity presented itself to take out the leader. The obvious solution to my mind is a scoped rifle, we have seen that other areas had spears because they had no ammunition/weapons, presumably because they were taken, so pre-planning with that intel is essential, hiding much of their cache essential! The snake without it's head will twitch, particularly as he rules via fear, infighting for the position would most likely happen. He has lots of potential enemies, has a great deal of confidence which sure is because of the power behind him, but it rests greatly on him ruling with an iron fist. Whilst the next guy will be just as bad [probably] the group would most likely fracture due to infighting and fights for the leadership, weakening them, perhaps enough. yer i agree, stuff just got interesting though for where the season heads too. I suspect the most brutal season yet.
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