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Post by paranoia on Feb 25, 2017 21:40:17 GMT 10
There came up a few posts in the '5 reasons normies stay away from prepping' about political leanings which got me thinking about where people on this board fall politically.
I really like the 4 way left-right, libertarian-authoritarian way of describing political stance as I feel it's a much more accurate way of describing where someone really stands.
PoliticalCompass.org has a nice basic survey, which outlines questions on most political questions and gives you a quick graph to show where it thinks you stand.
Take the test here; www.politicalcompass.org/test
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Post by paranoia on Feb 25, 2017 21:41:50 GMT 10
My results;
Economic Left/Right: 0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 25, 2017 21:47:25 GMT 10
Id say we would nearly all be bottom right.
Do any of us believe the .gov can protect us in any situation and has our best interests at heart?
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Post by shinester on Feb 25, 2017 22:48:37 GMT 10
I would call myself about as far libertarian as you could go, personal freedom and responsibility holding the greatest merits. I would also call that incredibly ethical, though this analysis seems to be making assumptions that for instance the right is religious and for wars and not for gay perspectives, that being libertarian 'has' to be in a certain fashion. I was also forced by the questions into positions I didn't really give a dam about, aka there's no neutral answers. Which is quite nonsensical in today's political climate. That is culture has evolved past that and much like the political parties these observations seem to look old and worn out, whilst it's better than 'left-right', it's perhaps an old simplification for how people who are diverse, think.
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Post by paranoia on Feb 26, 2017 0:03:20 GMT 10
I would call myself about as far libertarian as you could go, personal freedom and responsibility holding the greatest merits. I would also call that incredibly ethical, though this analysis seems to be making assumptions that for instance the right is religious and for wars and not for gay perspectives, that being libertarian 'has' to be in a certain fashion. I was also forced by the questions into positions I didn't really give a dam about, aka there's no neutral answers. Which is quite nonsensical in today's political climate. That is culture has evolved past that and much like the political parties these observations seem to look old and worn out, whilst it's better than 'left-right', it's perhaps an old simplification for how people who are diverse, think. After that I'm even more curious what it said...
Completely agree personal freedom is one of the most important aspects of ethics.
I don't think its saying 'all right are religious and for war' but its more taking an average of your views to get a mean position. If you think religion should be in politics, ie, god in schools or pro-war/intervention that puts you right/more conservative than the average person on those issues.
I think it says quite the opposite to 'being libertarian has to be in a certain fashion' in that you can be liberal and on either side of the right left divide, I'd be interested in a clarification.
Whilst I too had to address questions that were not in my area of concern generally they weren't questions that had a grey area, you were either for it or against. In politics you either regulate something, changing it... or let it be. I don't think there are neutral answers to these questions as they were typically strong in one direction or the other.
Definitely not perfect but I'm yet to find a better way of easily representing a persons political position. Many people claim to be libertarian but we need to both define and protect those personal liberties.
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Post by spatial on Feb 26, 2017 7:24:37 GMT 10
During the Obama years - the right were prepping like crazy, Obama was reported as being the worlds biggest gun salesperson, as every time he stood up and spoke on gun control... The last few years have seen all time record gun sales.
The reports are now that the left are now prepping as they fear Trump will do something stupid, obviously stoked on by the media. Most wars accross the world like Hitler were started by the left. He was as trade ;unionist - look at the left today they are the ones rioting and using violence to achieve their goals.
In the Christian bible there are very many prophecies of Jesus return and tribulations prior to his return. Many religions encourage and mandate members to hold storage and prepare for what is to come. Yeah the right conservative Christian will be more likely to prep due to lack of faith in corrupt governments and religious beliefs.
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Post by spatial on Feb 26, 2017 7:45:16 GMT 10
Hehhe I am a fascist dictator according to survey as I take a religious view. a little bit further to the right and I could of been a Thatcher supporter. I still think Thatcher was one of the best things to happen to the UK..  |
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Post by bce1 on Feb 26, 2017 9:37:18 GMT 10
Lower left. -3.88 / -3.88
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Post by remnantprep on Feb 26, 2017 10:52:52 GMT 10
Economic Left/Right: -0.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.92
I am pretty close to the centre! Just a little above and left of paranoia!
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Post by spatial on Feb 26, 2017 13:34:04 GMT 10
There seems to be a big issue with authority, most on the site are anarchists  . |
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Post by Ammo9 on Feb 26, 2017 14:25:07 GMT 10
what?
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Post by electricdolphin on Feb 26, 2017 15:16:29 GMT 10
I got this: Economic Left/Right: -2.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44 Here is my clipping of the result also as there are max posts on the thread:imgur.com/a/Ex8rWI found this really, really odd. As I consider myself a traditional Monarchist (non-Judeo Christian that is), and this test put me as a centrist leaning towards Authoritarian-Left?? I mean, WHAT DO YOU MEAN Authoritarian Left??? Uhhhh...... This test seemed to be based heavily on American political beliefs and I found some of the questions sort of egalitarian neo-communistic. For example asking questions like "Should a person who is able to work in a job but chooses not to rely on government support", and no specification to gender / marital status etc. I had to answer that yes they should, because whatever happened to the Widow's pension (oh thats right if you're born after 1950-something and a woman, it's just too bad, abandon your kids and house and head to work you lazy bum). sigh. IMO this test is kinda vague and doesn't really ask questions that are specific enough. Minimal government intervention is best and I think that people should manage themselves in communities with charities to aid the needy as opposed to the state... like the function of the church or the elders used to be. Most people on this board who are clued-in enough to be preppers would likely be scoring more Libertarian-Right in the traditional sense of the definition - since prepping implies self-reliance, but the test makes it difficult to get accurate results. Still interesting however. |
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Post by Joey on Feb 26, 2017 15:33:49 GMT 10
This thing is rigged.
It was I was towards the left!
FFS, I'm a gun owner, I hunt, I'm on the executive board of a primarily firearm political party, I work in the coal mines, I own my own business, I'm against refugee immigration. I'm the furthest thing from the left you could be besides a neo Nazi lol
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Post by remnantprep on Feb 26, 2017 15:36:17 GMT 10
The questions posed are not going to give an accurate result as the test is designed to force you into answering the way it leads to predetermined outcomes. I noticed that there was no neutral options.
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Post by gasman on Feb 26, 2017 18:01:14 GMT 10
I struggle with this
I am big on individual freedoms but also on social responsibility
Big on libertarian scale but the more left I go the more government control I face
Like freedom with social responsibility and don't trust anyone In authority
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Post by spatial on Feb 26, 2017 18:51:15 GMT 10
I got this: Economic Left/Right: -2.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44 Here is my clipping of the result also as there are max posts on the thread:imgur.com/a/Ex8rWI found this really, really odd. As I consider myself a traditional Monarchist (non-Judeo Christian that is), and this test put me as a centrist leaning towards Authoritarian-Left?? I mean, WHAT DO YOU MEAN Authoritarian Left??? Uhhhh...... This test seemed to be based heavily on American political beliefs and I found some of the questions sort of egalitarian neo-communistic. For example asking questions like "Should a person who is able to work in a job but chooses not to rely on government support", and no specification to gender / marital status etc. I had to answer that yes they should, because whatever happened to the Widow's pension (oh thats right if you're born after 1950-something and a woman, it's just too bad, abandon your kids and house and head to work you lazy bum). sigh. IMO this test is kinda vague and doesn't really ask questions that are specific enough. Minimal government intervention is best and I think that people should manage themselves in communities with charities to aid the needy as opposed to the state... like the function of the church or the elders used to be. Most people on this board who are clued-in enough to be preppers would likely be scoring more Libertarian-Right in the traditional sense of the definition - since prepping implies self-reliance, but the test makes it difficult to get accurate results. Still interesting however. One has to answer more generically as we get hung up with issues within issues. "Should a person be able to work in a Job...." If you are a mother with young children then you can think that does not enable you to work as you have greater and more important responsibilities. So one can still answer that people who can should work and not rely on gov support.... I also got hung up on questions like that and should redo the survey and stick to the generic principles. Hopefully I am making sense, clear as mud!!!. We are so politically correct brain washed that we mostly fall down the centre line, in Australia best to steer clear of politics and religion as people get too excited. |
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Post by spatial on Feb 26, 2017 18:59:52 GMT 10
The questions posed are not going to give an accurate result as the test is designed to force you into answering the way it leads to predetermined outcomes. I noticed that there was no neutral options. These are questions of a moral issues, one should have an opinion and not bee a fence sitter. In Australia the questions are understood differently to the US so there is a definite bias. Many of the Aus prepper have shooter licenses are independent etc, many support more right political parties.... but we are taught unless you care about all the social ills of the world then you are a bad person. So the survey answers come out liberal left, that is why the polling get things so wrong. Brexit and US elections etc... |
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Post by paranoia on Feb 26, 2017 23:38:29 GMT 10
I got this: Economic Left/Right: -2.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44 Here is my clipping of the result also as there are max posts on the thread:imgur.com/a/Ex8rWI found this really, really odd. As I consider myself a traditional Monarchist (non-Judeo Christian that is), and this test put me as a centrist leaning towards Authoritarian-Left?? I mean, WHAT DO YOU MEAN Authoritarian Left??? Uhhhh...... This test seemed to be based heavily on American political beliefs and I found some of the questions sort of egalitarian neo-communistic. For example asking questions like "Should a person who is able to work in a job but chooses not to rely on government support", and no specification to gender / marital status etc. I had to answer that yes they should, because whatever happened to the Widow's pension (oh thats right if you're born after 1950-something and a woman, it's just too bad, abandon your kids and house and head to work you lazy bum). sigh. IMO this test is kinda vague and doesn't really ask questions that are specific enough. Minimal government intervention is best and I think that people should manage themselves in communities with charities to aid the needy as opposed to the state... like the function of the church or the elders used to be. Most people on this board who are clued-in enough to be preppers would likely be scoring more Libertarian-Right in the traditional sense of the definition - since prepping implies self-reliance, but the test makes it difficult to get accurate results. Still interesting however. One has to answer more generically as we get hung up with issues within issues. "Should a person be able to work in a Job...." If you are a mother with young children then you can think that does not enable you to work as you have greater and more important responsibilities. So one can still answer that people who can should work and not rely on gov support.... I also got hung up on questions like that and should redo the survey and stick to the generic principles. Hopefully I am making sense, clear as mud!!!. We are so politically correct brain washed that we mostly fall down the centre line, in Australia best to steer clear of politics and religion as people get too excited.
I think it's a problem that politics and religion are not more openly discussed, the dog piling for 'wrong think' doesn't actually change peoples opinions it just changes what is openly professed. This causes the inaccuracies in polling you point to and people claiming popular support for legislation is often unjustified.
It should be possible to take our personal situations out of it and think about the issue as a whole but we often have knee jerk reactions relating to a political parties position or a claimed ideology. I feel if you really think about these moral questions your answer can be at odds with the ideology you identify with.
Bottom line for me, the more things are discussed and the more people are forced to think about issues outside of a party paradigm, the better we'll be.
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Post by paranoia on Feb 26, 2017 23:50:01 GMT 10
I struggle with this I am big on individual freedoms but also on social responsibility Big on libertarian scale but the more left I go the more government control I face Like freedom with social responsibility and don't trust anyone In authority We have such a long path to get to a free utopia that many smaller steps need to be taken. I feel you can use regulation/control to redirect society in a certain direction but need to understand what a big deal it is, with plans to remove those controls at a later date. To me, regulation should be a temporary fix for extreme problems rather than this slow constant ratcheting up of controls thinking it will solve the big problems. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 10:06:04 GMT 10
 As a Nationalist and Katter voter Iam a bit disappointed with my result 🤣 |
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