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Post by spatial on Mar 9, 2017 21:45:47 GMT 10
Restrictions yes, though no changes in instructional would be required to keep the flow of food if we provide 60% of our own fuel needs now. Some of them could possibly be ramped up as fuel pricing would sky rocket as demand outstripped supply. Swaths of people would not be able to be employed or be able to get to their jobs, so still massive issues. We've seen strikes before and restrictions due to reduced supply without great detriment. It will simply be no fuel available the average Joe.. as the hordign will start. In Sydney the average travelling time to get to work is 45min. Largest fuel user in NSW is the rail carriers. Bulk shipments become difficult. It will be survival and doable but a teotwawki type event as big change in the way we live. |
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Post by shinester on Mar 10, 2017 5:43:43 GMT 10
No doubt. Blackmarketeering, from 'employees' of electrical supply for instance will 'leak' fuel. Whilst people will make do in some part, imagine hauling your food home [and there wouldn't be much else] from the supermarket by hand. I would suspect not a lot of supermarket trolleys left as everyone walks home their food.
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 10, 2017 7:10:59 GMT 10
No doubt. Blackmarketeering, from 'employees' of electrical supply for instance will 'leak' fuel. Whilst people will make do in some part, imagine hauling your food home [and there wouldn't be much else] from the supermarket by hand. I would suspect not a lot of supermarket trolleys left as everyone walks home their food. Thats why one of my preps are those shopping bags on wheels! Get a couple of those and fill them up and drag them home behind you! |
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Post by remnantprep on Mar 10, 2017 7:17:10 GMT 10
Restrictions yes, though no changes in instructional would be required to keep the flow of food if we provide 60% of our own fuel needs now. Some of them could possibly be ramped up as fuel pricing would sky rocket as demand outstripped supply. Swaths of people would not be able to be employed or be able to get to their jobs, so still massive issues. We've seen strikes before and restrictions due to reduced supply without great detriment. It will simply be no fuel available the average Joe.. as the hordign will start. In Sydney the average travelling time to get to work is 45min. Largest fuel user in NSW is the rail carriers. Bulk shipments become difficult. It will be survival and doable but a teotwawki type event as big change in the way we live. Time to get bicycles in working order if you work close enough to home! It is an issue that many today work too far from home to be a able to walk or ride a bicycle! During WW2 in the UK people had to walk or ride bikes to work but they most likely lived closer to where they worked. Priority fuel rations where given to essential workers and transport like buses. This is an area that Australia needs to be thinking about now having a plan for rationing before the conflict begins. |
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Post by shinester on Mar 10, 2017 8:46:36 GMT 10
No fuel to get to the pistol club to meet the mandatory shoots equals handguns seized by police. I can walk to mine  Besides, currently there's many months to go. |
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Post by graynomad on Mar 10, 2017 12:22:40 GMT 10
No fuel to get to the pistol club to meet the mandatory shoots equals handguns seized by police. Yeah I thought of that as well, I only have to make 2-3 trips a year though so maybe that would still be doable. But will the cops have fuel to chase up all us miscreants that have not shot enough? |
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Post by spatial on Mar 10, 2017 12:23:44 GMT 10
No fuel to get to the pistol club to meet the mandatory shoots equals handguns seized by police. Now that is a worrying thought, item added to list - get the 4 shoots in when the chaos starts. I only have AB licence so might be able to fake shoots at a farm.. |
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Post by shinester on Mar 10, 2017 12:48:59 GMT 10
You have to do shoots with AB? Are you WA?
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Post by Morgo on Mar 10, 2017 16:10:32 GMT 10
No fuel to get to the pistol club to meet the mandatory shoots equals handguns seized by police. lol, I've walked to my club before. Back pack, 2 handguns 400rds of ammo and other gear, it did take about 2 hours though that was probably because it was the middle of summer. |
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Post by paranoia on Mar 10, 2017 17:12:21 GMT 10
Takes me just under an hour to drive to the pistol club. Google suggests it would take me 13 hours 15 minutes to walk it if I cut a few shortcuts along bike tracks. Not going to happen...
I've already got more than my 6 shoots in for the year so in theory I've got another 20 months before I run into problems.
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Post by spatial on Mar 10, 2017 20:25:58 GMT 10
You have to do shoots with AB? Are you WA? NSW have licence for target and hunting. SSAA is reason for holding licence. If you have a property or letter from a number of land owners then you don't need to do shoots. But for target you still have to. I do have associates with property that are willing to sign a form for me, but want to keep the target as well... |
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Post by shinester on Mar 10, 2017 22:22:42 GMT 10
Wow! Not here in Vic. Draconian.
I mean it wouldn't be an issue at all for me, though it's rather ridiculous, it's not like people go fishing every year despite having rods and tackle, same stuff with hunting.
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Post by graynomad on Mar 12, 2017 13:30:05 GMT 10
Takes me just under an hour to drive to the pistol club. Google suggests it would take me 13 hours 15 minutes to walk it if I cut a few shortcuts along bike tracks. Not going to happen... I've already got more than my 6 shoots in for the year so in theory I've got another 20 months before I run into problems. I live about 80k by road to my club, but the Bicentennial trail passes pretty close to the club and my house and I have seriously considered walking to a shoot and catching a lift home with one of the guys. I would allow maybe 6-7 days to get there, I think this is a viable exercise in bugging out and should be fun as well, but I wouldn't take as many guns as I usually do with the car |
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Post by fei on Oct 17, 2017 15:52:22 GMT 10
Just read this article about Australia's fuel supply being threatened by geopolitical shocks: www.resilience.org/stories/2017-08-21/almost-half-australias-petrol-diesel-jet-fuel-imports-come-south-korea-japanIf you don't want to read the article, then the conclusion sums it up pretty well: "The Australian public believes (and the media do not correct this assumption) that most of Australia’s fuel imports come from Singapore. But that is no longer the case after 3 refinery closures. Singapore’s share is now only 26% while South Korea and Japan account for 44%. Needless to say that most of South Korea’s and Japan’s crude imports come from the Middle East and also pass through the South China Sea, 2 more conflict zones." That would belie the "fact" that the government gave before about how supplies aren't threatened and that anyway alternatives can be found if something happens in Asia. I'm guessing alternatives can be found, but how quickly would they be able to replace that 70% supply that comes from Singapore, South Korea and Japan if something does kick off? |
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Post by Peter on Oct 17, 2017 22:08:56 GMT 10
Um, don't we have a crapload of oil in the NW of Australia?
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Post by graynomad on Oct 20, 2017 9:45:03 GMT 10
Um, don't we have a crapload of oil in the NW of Australia? I think so, even oil that can be used in diesels with no processing AFAIK. |
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Post by selfsufficient on Oct 20, 2017 13:03:44 GMT 10
www.environment.gov.au/energy/publications/petroleum-statistics-august-2017Interesting summary for domestic production: Over 7 years our oil crude supply production has halved, condensates has stayed pretty constant. for our limited refinery production only 17% of it has been coming from australian sources, this has been the average for the last seven years. But in those last seven years refinery output has nearly halved. LPG car has doubled but total LPG has fallen in seven years Petrol all types has fallen Diesel oil has gone up but not drastically. Imports of Crude oil has nearly halved to match reduced refinery capacity Imports of Petrol, Aviation fuel, Kerosene and Diesel has gone up 3 fold in seven years
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Post by Peter on Oct 20, 2017 22:58:18 GMT 10
selfsufficient I doubt I even need to read the link you provided to know that they see this as a victory - it is an environment.gov.au page, after all. I'd love to see the money trail that sees us selling our security and non-use of our own resources to fund other nations...
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