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Post by paranoia on Jun 26, 2017 22:12:16 GMT 10
Have been thinking lot about canned bread lately. There doesn't seem to be a lot of info around on recipes for DIY canned bread. Has anyone here made any? Is it even possible to safely can bread at home? I've read material both saying it is safe and some saying it is not. The process seems pretty straight forward: get a dough, put it in a wide mouth ball jar, then pressure can. So... any thoughts?
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Post by ziggysdad on Jun 27, 2017 10:10:11 GMT 10
I grew up with cans of B&M Brown Bread in the pantry - a staple with B&M Baked Beans for anyone growing up in New England: Never tried to can my own bread - would think you'd be better off canning Pilot Bread/Hardtack. Here is a recipe for Boston Brown Bread, explaining that the Bread is steamed in the can: www.wisegeek.com/what-is-boston-brown-bread.htm
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Post by spatial on Jun 27, 2017 17:34:48 GMT 10
I have plenty of stored wheat and if stored properly it can last for decades. We also have two hand wheat grinders and stored yeast and many recipe to make yeast or keep a cultivation growing. Making fresh bread is easy and better quality, less storage space.
I think stored bread will end up very hard like a brick.
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Post by paranoia on Jun 27, 2017 19:30:00 GMT 10
Whilst I agree fresh bread is easy and better quality it takes a lot of time & energy to make. We do (at least my wife does) make our own bread on a regular basis and I agree it is a wonderful thing to do.
My interest in canned bread would be for something you could quickly open, fry a little bit with some eggs or have with baked beans.
I think SHTF situations are all about resource management and I don't think milling flour & baking bread is an effective use of your time/energy in the short term situation. Canned bread obviously isn't going to make or break a survival situation but I think it would be a nice comfort in an otherwise crappy situation.
Ziggy; Have you seen B&M for a reasonable price anywhere in Australia?
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Post by Peter on Jun 27, 2017 21:32:07 GMT 10
I admit to knowing nothing about canned bread (I'd never heard of it until this post, in fact), but surely I'm stating the obvious in advising that the mouth of the jar is no narrower than the rest of the jar. Otherwise getting it out would be a major PITA.
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Post by paranoia on Jun 27, 2017 21:52:03 GMT 10
I admit to knowing nothing about canned bread (I'd never heard of it until this post, in fact), but surely I'm stating the obvious in advising that the mouth of the jar is no narrower than the rest of the jar. Otherwise getting it out would be a major PITA.
You are correct sir!
Yeah I actually checked all my wide mouth jars didn't have a lip inside before even posting this... you wouldn't really have bread at that point lol.
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Post by Peter on Jun 28, 2017 0:55:42 GMT 10
Even still, wouldn't it be necessary to lubricate the jar to aid removal of the bread, meaning rancidity would be a factor?
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Post by Joey on Jun 28, 2017 2:03:59 GMT 10
Could it be possible to store a premade dough? Maybe without the yeast to go off? or a half baked bread?
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Post by tomatoes on Jun 28, 2017 9:03:42 GMT 10
I don't know anything about canned bread - watching this thread out of curiousity, but I have something you might like to try in the meantime as the comfort of fresh bread without taking up your time and energy to make.
When on holidays I switch over to the method of making in the book "artisan bread in 5 min a day" (or something like that). You just combine the flour, water, salt and yeast with a quick mix, leave it out for an hour or two, and refrigerate it overnight. Next morning I plonk it into tins, leave a short while, then bake. So no kneading and really does take only a few minutes. You could do it without refrigerating the dough in times of crisis by adjusting your timing. The bread is beautiful.
When not on hols I make up the dough in huge tubs to leave in the frig and it keeps a week or two, then when we want pizza or flat bread/naan we can just scoop out a handful of dough to use - best pizza dough I've used. No kneading at all.
There is also a great bread that became "famous" a few yrs ago that was in the New York Times I think that you mix quickly then leave out overnight and bake in the morning - it is super delicious (great crust) and I even worked out a variation where I saved a bit of dough each day to use like a sour dough starter and I think didn't add any packaged yeast (I'd have to check my notes).
Both of these breads take very little time - they really do only take a couple of minutes to throw together - you just have to plan ahead.
Let me know if you want recipes or book reference.
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Post by Peter on Jun 28, 2017 9:22:34 GMT 10
Yes please!
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Post by spatial on Jun 28, 2017 17:13:00 GMT 10
Whilst I agree fresh bread is easy and better quality it takes a lot of time & energy to make. We do (at least my wife does) make our own bread on a regular basis and I agree it is a wonderful thing to do. My interest in canned bread would be for something you could quickly open, fry a little bit with some eggs or have with baked beans. I think SHTF situations are all about resource management and I don't think milling flour & baking bread is an effective use of your time/energy in the short term situation. Canned bread obviously isn't going to make or break a survival situation but I think it would be a nice comfort in an otherwise crappy situation. Ziggy; Have you seen B&M for a reasonable price anywhere in Australia? We have a bit of self raising flower stored as well as flower and baking soda so bread or a damper is easily made if you have facility to fry. Bread by volume is low density and using a bottle for a few slices does not make sense to me. An alternative is to make short bread or rusk that needs no bottling but has a very long shelf life. Need to go back to the old ways. Rusks were and are used extensively in South Africa as a means of preserving a grain that can be eaten for breakfast. Nothing better than a rusk... You can occasional get them at ALDI or Bibina keeps them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruskwww.food.com/recipe/buttermilk-rusks-south-african-133474"This needs a little explanation. We South Africans are very partial to rusks with that first cup of morning coffee! It's what the US calls "double-baked": the end result with this recipe is a hard, chunky sweetish "rock" which you dunk in your coffee or tea to soften, then bite off. It doubles as a quick breakfast or an afternoon bite with tea and coffee. It's an all-purpose snack and most houses are never without a tin of them. There are all kinds of variations including health and muesli rusks. They date back to the time when people trekked with oxwagons into the interior, when they needed foods that would keep.
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Post by tomatoes on Jun 28, 2017 17:47:19 GMT 10
Have put the bread recipes in a different thread to avoid this thread getting too far off track.
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Post by tomatoes on Jun 28, 2017 19:34:36 GMT 10
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Post by SA Hunter on Jun 28, 2017 22:27:45 GMT 10
Yes, never heard of this either - though in Army ration packs you now get bread - almost like a pita bread.
If cryovaced, how long would bread last if it is frozen??
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Post by paranoia on Jun 29, 2017 14:42:50 GMT 10
I've read similar but most of them seem to revolve around zucchini or banana breads.
The reason none of the negative research has put me off the concept completely is... the product, canned bread, actually exists. There does exist a way out there to safely can bread for long term storage.
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Post by paranoia on Jun 29, 2017 14:49:45 GMT 10
Yes, never heard of this either - though in Army ration packs you now get bread - almost like a pita bread. If cryovaced, how long would bread last if it is frozen??
How does the ration bread come packed? Is it drier than you'd expect a pita say from the supermarket?
When we were living in Sydney (more than a couple decades ago) the ration packs/hexamine stoves used to appear in the surplus stores a lot. I wonder if it would be possible to get your hands on such packs today.
Even not cryovaced frozen bread seems to last ages. The key point here for canned bread is that it doesn't take up freezer space. Also when I do my long term food accounting, anything in the freezer is written off completely as it wouldn't be viable past a couple days in a grid down situation.
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Post by paranoia on Jun 29, 2017 15:00:30 GMT 10
Whilst I agree fresh bread is easy and better quality it takes a lot of time & energy to make. We do (at least my wife does) make our own bread on a regular basis and I agree it is a wonderful thing to do. My interest in canned bread would be for something you could quickly open, fry a little bit with some eggs or have with baked beans. I think SHTF situations are all about resource management and I don't think milling flour & baking bread is an effective use of your time/energy in the short term situation. Canned bread obviously isn't going to make or break a survival situation but I think it would be a nice comfort in an otherwise crappy situation. Ziggy; Have you seen B&M for a reasonable price anywhere in Australia? We have a bit of self raising flower stored as well as flower and baking soda so bread or a damper is easily made if you have facility to fry. Bread by volume is low density and using a bottle for a few slices does not make sense to me. An alternative is to make short bread or rusk that needs no bottling but has a very long shelf life. Need to go back to the old ways. Rusks were and are used extensively in South Africa as a means of preserving a grain that can be eaten for breakfast. Nothing better than a rusk... You can occasional get them at ALDI or Bibina keeps them. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruskwww.food.com/recipe/buttermilk-rusks-south-african-133474"This needs a little explanation. We South Africans are very partial to rusks with that first cup of morning coffee! It's what the US calls "double-baked": the end result with this recipe is a hard, chunky sweetish "rock" which you dunk in your coffee or tea to soften, then bite off. It doubles as a quick breakfast or an afternoon bite with tea and coffee. It's an all-purpose snack and most houses are never without a tin of them. There are all kinds of variations including health and muesli rusks. They date back to the time when people trekked with oxwagons into the interior, when they needed foods that would keep.
After reading the Wiki page on rusks I came across the name of something I had not seen or herd in a very long time... Zwieback!
We always used to have a pack in the pantry growing up. This could potentially be the solution to the 'long term storable instant bread' problem.
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Post by Aussie_Scout on Jun 29, 2017 19:41:45 GMT 10
The Burnham and Morell ( unfortunate initials lol ) Raisin Canned Bread actually doesn't look that bad especially when heated according to the reviewer tastes quite good.
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Post by fei on Jun 29, 2017 21:55:30 GMT 10
We buy 20-packs of a type of pre-oiled flat bread (kinda like slightly salty pancakes) that is stored in the freezer. Cooking is extremely easy - straight from the freezer into a hot pan (no need for oil) for a couple of minutes, then ready to eat plain or with jam, sliced fruit or whatever. Actually a pretty good food for emergency use when take into account easy of cooking etc.
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Post by ziggysdad on Jun 30, 2017 14:25:04 GMT 10
The Burnham and Morell ( unfortunate initials lol ) Raisin Canned Bread actually doesn't look that bad especially when heated according to the reviewer tastes quite good. B&M aren't unfortunate initials in New England where the B&M Railroad stood for Boston to Maine. B&M are located in Portland, Maine, so most people assume that B&M stands for the railroad (or route) and not Burnham and Morell. Best baked beans I've ever tasted.
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