Beno
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Post by Beno on May 24, 2018 8:16:25 GMT 10
thats Nowra isn’t it? The south coast is gods country.
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Post by feralemma on May 24, 2018 14:33:58 GMT 10
A major proportion of livestock are on non-rangeland country - its a smaller space but has much higher carrying capacity. Anyone who can't find and kill livestock on foot, without a gun in an emergency is worthy of a Darwin Award. And there will be plenty of candidates in the capital cities I'm sure. Then there's the millions of tons of grain stacked up close to ports, cities and rail centres. All these distances are walkable. What may happen in an acute food shortage is that country folks (like me) will get swamped by a relentless tide of locust-people leaving the big cities. If it's a long, gradually intensifying shortage they may well perish in place because they don't see the full magnitude of the danger until they're too weak to move very far. What I'm saying is eating other people is so far down the list of possibilities it's hardly worth considering. As I've said elsewhere, my mother, her family and their fellow city dwellers nearly died of starvation in Europe in 1944 and they didn't resort to eating each other. There are still far higher numbers of livestock in the rangeland grazing system than there are on improved pasture despite the much lower carrying capacity of the land 😉 a lot of stock on improved pasture spend part of the year being supplementary fed as well in order to carry them all thru until the pasture has grown enough to sustain them again. Without being fed and watered regularly there's quite a few that would perish. The rural grain receival points have grain in them most of the year, but the metro ones and the ports only have grain in them briefly before it's loaded onto ships. I wonder if the gov would bother guarding the smaller rural based ones or just focus on the big ones closer to the metro area? Lol I'd still pay to see someone be able to run down a beast and kill it without a gun....my money is on the beast winning every time! And yes I think we would see a locust like plague if city folk, probably all our city dwelling cousins and their families first as they'd suddenly remember they have family in the bush who might be able to feed them. Followed by anyone else who realises that something other than the cbd exists. Maybe cannibalism was really frowned upon for religious reasons and controlled by it? People (especially Catholics) were taught that to suffer was to put them closer to God, and whatever happened was God's will. Rather than the each-to-their-own mentality we have now, where people are more willing and more likely to do absolutely anything to survive? Just a thought. |
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Post by spinifex on May 24, 2018 18:32:42 GMT 10
A major proportion of livestock are on non-rangeland country - its a smaller space but has much higher carrying capacity. Anyone who can't find and kill livestock on foot, without a gun in an emergency is worthy of a Darwin Award. And there will be plenty of candidates in the capital cities I'm sure. Then there's the millions of tons of grain stacked up close to ports, cities and rail centres. All these distances are walkable. What may happen in an acute food shortage is that country folks (like me) will get swamped by a relentless tide of locust-people leaving the big cities. If it's a long, gradually intensifying shortage they may well perish in place because they don't see the full magnitude of the danger until they're too weak to move very far. What I'm saying is eating other people is so far down the list of possibilities it's hardly worth considering. As I've said elsewhere, my mother, her family and their fellow city dwellers nearly died of starvation in Europe in 1944 and they didn't resort to eating each other. Lol I'd still pay to see someone be able to run down a beast and kill it without a gun....my money is on the beast winning every time! Maybe cannibalism was really frowned upon for religious reasons and controlled by it? People (especially Catholics) were taught that to suffer was to put them closer to God, and whatever happened was God's will. Rather than the each-to-their-own mentality we have now, where people are more willing and more likely to do absolutely anything to survive? Just a thought. Those with the brains don't run them down. That's too tiring. Farmers invented fences because we don't like chasing down individual animals one by one to load them onto a truck  . Crikey ... we have enough trouble in our district right now with stock theft. No one is shooting them or chasing them ... they are being quietly herded onto stock trailers using a few star droppers and a bit of wire to make a race. But yeah ... most urbanites don't think like farmers and probably would try and impersonate a podgy cheetah chasing a gazelle. Mums lot were firmly atheist. But yes, sense of community was stronger back in the 40's ... even in the relatively large city where they lived. When a family in the street had their house leveled by American bombs they were soon taken in by other families. The concept being everyone knows they might be the next ones who needed some charity. I reckon People these days seem largely too lazy and dumb to survive if anything. |
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Post by spinifex on May 25, 2018 17:42:39 GMT 10
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feralemma
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Post by feralemma on May 28, 2018 10:17:34 GMT 10
Lol "podgy cheetahs" 😂 have you seen the animated video clip where all the animals in the African savannah are obese? The cheetah ends up tripping and rolling like a ball.
Further out there are no fences tho 😉 and water points are bores with a tank and trough attached rather than dams. That country was unusable until wells were dug 100 years ago. And since then the skippy population has exploded too as they can now survive in large numbers in areas that only very small numbers could survive in previously.
We have big problems with stock theft in WA too, and also the equipment needed for stock! One farmer even had concrete troughs stolen 😠 those stealing stock quite often have good dogs, and I've heard of caravans being gutted and used to hide/move stolen stock in!!
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Post by feralemma on May 28, 2018 10:22:49 GMT 10
I had the tailing out (shepherding) argument with someone on another page a while ago! Those that haven't done it don't know what it involves and can't even picture it, so they discount it as a method to protect livestock. We used to tail out mobs of weaner cattle on some stations to make sure we had a handle on them and also make sure they were stopping to eat and finding the water. We'd go back for a couple of days to pick up the same mob and move them around and then just let them graze while we rode the outside of the mob quietly to keep them together. |
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Post by spinifex on May 28, 2018 18:42:53 GMT 10
Lol "podgy cheetahs" 😂 have you seen the animated video clip where all the animals in the African savannah are obese? The cheetah ends up tripping and rolling like a ball. Further out there are no fences tho 😉 and water points are bores with a tank and trough attached rather than dams. That country was unusable until wells were dug 100 years ago. And since then the skippy population has exploded too as they can now survive in large numbers in areas that only very small numbers could survive in previously. We have big problems with stock theft in WA too, and also the equipment needed for stock! One farmer even had concrete troughs stolen 😠 those stealing stock quite often have good dogs, and I've heard of caravans being gutted and used to hide/move stolen stock in!! Caravans hey? That's crafty. I'll be paying closer attention to vans on the back-roads around here now. And working dogs are another great way to acquire stock. I've heard of expensive pumps being pulled from bores in station country ... take a special kind of desperado to nick a trough though hey? Probably a neighbor? |
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Post by feralemma on May 28, 2018 21:05:55 GMT 10
Lol "podgy cheetahs" 😂 have you seen the animated video clip where all the animals in the African savannah are obese? The cheetah ends up tripping and rolling like a ball. Further out there are no fences tho 😉 and water points are bores with a tank and trough attached rather than dams. That country was unusable until wells were dug 100 years ago. And since then the skippy population has exploded too as they can now survive in large numbers in areas that only very small numbers could survive in previously. We have big problems with stock theft in WA too, and also the equipment needed for stock! One farmer even had concrete troughs stolen 😠 those stealing stock quite often have good dogs, and I've heard of caravans being gutted and used to hide/move stolen stock in!! Caravans hey? That's crafty. I'll be paying closer attention to vans on the back-roads around here now. And working dogs are another great way to acquire stock. I've heard of expensive pumps being pulled from bores in station country ... take a special kind of desperado to nick a trough though hey? Probably a neighbor? It's f*cking sneaky is what it is 😠😠 definitely take note of anyone that is out of place including those that look like grey nomads. There's currently money in sheep so no doubt the people that are nicking sheep are the ones takings the infrastructure needed to look after them. You'd hope it wasn't neighbours doing it, but given one of ours it wouldn't surprise me! |
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Jul 7, 2024 11:02:41 GMT 10
. Crikey ... we have enough trouble in our district right now with stock theft. No one is shooting them or chasing them ... they are being quietly herded onto stock trailers using a few star droppers and a bit of wire to make a race. But yeah ... most urbanites don't think like farmers and probably would try and impersonate a podgy cheetah chasing a gazelle.