survivy
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Post by survivy on Sept 18, 2019 12:20:05 GMT 10
I had a horrible realisation the other day about prepping and renting. If/when SHTF and you are renting, the owner of the property can come in, kick you out and keep all your stuff because there will be no one to stop them. Buying property somewhere is not on the cards for me at the moment, but it's definitely high on the list now. I guess that's one way to get motivated.
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Post by frostbite on Sept 18, 2019 18:05:10 GMT 10
When shtf it won't just be the property owner who might kick you out. This is why preppers store bullets as well as beans.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2019 18:44:40 GMT 10
im lucky that way,, i am good mates with the owner of our house ,at the worst he would move in with his family , lol ,in saying that i would love a few acres i could set up how i needed
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Post by WolfDen on Sept 18, 2019 18:54:32 GMT 10
Well thats why I have three villas and three apartments that I Airbnb out. Be prepared.
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Post by Joey on Sept 19, 2019 10:07:58 GMT 10
I'm lucky that my owner doesn't even live in the state lol
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Post by frontsight on Sept 20, 2019 10:28:10 GMT 10
That's why it's so important to be friendly with land Lord. Modern agent/middleman types of rental of course wont help. The other thing is they shouldn't know what you got... Not the 1000 cans of bacon nor the 15 rifles in the safe
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Post by Ausprep on Sept 20, 2019 10:47:03 GMT 10
Apart from actual house modifications, renting shouldn’t deter you from being prepared.
The only way I’d see an issue is if it was a slow economic fall from grace, giving people time to sell there assets and what not.
If it happens swiftly, it would be every person for themselves.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 20, 2019 11:06:21 GMT 10
During the fallout of the US sub-prime mortgage implosion lots of renters and foreclosed owner/occupiers simply became squatters. The banks preferred to have the occupants remain in the dwellings so they didn't get trashed.
There are few rational reasons why any landlord (including the banks who are the biggest landlords of all) would want to push their renters out. They need renters occupying to generate cashflow from their asset. The only time they throw people out is to replace them with others who can/will pay more rent.
Even if one is an owner occupier with no mortgage ... if they can't scrape together the money to pay rates/taxes they can get sold up too. Do some reading into the early formation of the Soviet Union ... or even Tasmania (as I've recently been reading about) to see how ownership of real-estate doesn't mean much if you lack the political/legal means to protect it.
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Post by frontsight on Sept 20, 2019 11:12:36 GMT 10
And at the minimal, a BOB and BOH would be good in case you get kicked out.
Also if it is a swift deterioration, I am would be within my right to stay and only pay the rent as per contract (in now useless currency), however I would be more of an asset to the owner anyway.
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Post by dadbod on Sept 20, 2019 20:53:28 GMT 10
they cant just come and kick you out unless you want to leave. depending on the shtf situation, how are they going to force you out? you can just stay and probably not pay rent too if currency has collapsed. police wont be enforcing that property law.
by ownership would be the best idea
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Post by wanderer on Sept 21, 2019 20:08:16 GMT 10
Hopefully cooler heads would prevail if you are renting, a good landlord would not want a good tenent kicked out into the street due to shtf. If i were a landlord i would ask the renter to join forces with me and be his friend in a time of crisis. Most people have good skill sets too, so there is much to be bartered when times are tough, hell there is much to be bartered now leaving out the banksters.
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survivy
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Post by survivy on Sept 22, 2019 17:44:45 GMT 10
I was thinking more along the lines of everything has gone to shit, there is no rule of law anymore, no police, every man/woman for themselves. If a landlord knows you have a well stocked pantry and more and they don't, I can see them coming and kicking you out to take your stuff. With no law, what is the renter going to do?
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Post by frostbite on Sept 22, 2019 17:51:31 GMT 10
With no law, what's stopping the renter kicking the landlord out of his own house?
A large part of survival is the right mindset. Walk quietly, but carry that big stick and be willing to use it.
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Post by spinifex on Sept 22, 2019 20:54:17 GMT 10
Survivy the circumstance you describe is exceedingly rare. So rare I've never even read about it happening anywhere. What happens when the shit is raining that hard is that a hard-line Government forms and uses military force to crush everyone. But if ever arises 'renters' and 'landlords' won't exist. It'll just be a case that you'll own anything you can defend and/or hide.
My belief is we should focus on what we might do if our society doesn't suffer a catastrophic failure so severe that the rich folks and their military minions lose all control ... and you just lose your job and can't find paid work anywhere. That is the scenario that is extremely common. Be prepared for supply line disruptions in event all our imports get crimped by a standoff in the south China Sea ... or the fuel stops flowing in because the Straits of Hormuz get closed ... or a storm cripples power infrastructure for a few days.
I reckon it pays to read personal accounts from people from Zimbabwe (economic collapse) or Serbia (war and economic collapse + ethnic cleansing) or the great depression or the expulsion of Germans from East Prussia i 1945 (ethnic cleansing and dispossesion) or Mao's Cultural Revolution (Government sanctioned anarchy and disposession).
History is a classroom of proven scenarios and proven approaches to survival solutions. What I've concluded is that those who don't learn from history greatly increase their risk of ending up in a mass grave or re-education camp.
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Post by fei on Sept 22, 2019 22:25:05 GMT 10
I reckon it pays to read personal accounts from people from Zimbabwe (economic collapse) or Serbia (war and economic collapse + ethnic cleansing) or the great depression or the expulsion of Germans from East Prussia i 1945 (ethnic cleansing and dispossesion) or Mao's Cultural Revolution (Government sanctioned anarchy and disposession). History is a classroom of proven scenarios and proven approaches to survival solutions. What I've concluded is that those who don't learn from history greatly increase their risk of ending up in a mass grave or re-education camp. My in-laws went through the Cultural Revolution. From what I can find out, it wasn't so bad in the part of China they're from (and where I live). But in the far north, many people died of starvation. They never talk about what happened, apart from my FIL occasionally mentioning something that he saw (he was conscripted at age 15 and actually was protected from the worst of it, being kept on an isolated self-sufficient military base). But the lessons learned are definitely still there in the older generations' mindset - ie. blood is always thicker than water (never completely trust anyone outside close family but always help extended family if you can); live frugally; don't trust the govt (although most older folks ironically enough do believe everything the govt says about China being the best place in the world and everywhere else being backward). My in-laws and their generation pretty much all grew up poor in the countryside or in poverty in the cities, making do with whatever they could get, so they know all about stuff like DIY electrics and plumbing, repairing stuff and making food last. Unfortunately the youngest generation know pretty much nothing about any of that, so when the oldies pass, everyone will be pretty clueless and probably back to believing that the govt will always save them and look after them (as they've been taught from kindergarten onwards since the early nineties). |
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Post by frontsight on Sept 23, 2019 1:26:53 GMT 10
Seeing that you are worried about the landlord knowing about your stash, I will assume you either live on the same property with landlord or pretty close to the land Lord. In the same house your would be pretty screwed if the landlords family outnumber you and they have absolutely no food, the only thing you can do is to share so that if you don't get stabbed in the back for the food.
I would hate to have new age city (no food beyond this week) couple with young children as landlord if SHTF. If that's the case you either prep on their behalf too (extra $300 worth of cheap rice/beans/cans/milk powder/2 min noodle will go a long way, I have lived on $65 of food money for an entire month as a challenge not too long ago) or move out if you really worry about this specific scenario.
Granny flat is far better, I lived in one for years and I have never let the landlord know what I have stocked inside. 3 months worth of canned food (water was not a problem, they have huge water tanks), 15 pistols, 8kg of powder and over 10000 primers (they sort of knew because I told they I was shot air pistol when the police inspect my safe but never exactly what I had) and 60 Lt of fuel under a pile of old stuff behind the granny flat. Whatever you do, don't advertise it! Be nice to the landlord too, if they like you, they may decide to hurt you last in the block if they do turn feral. Better still, if they are well stocked, they may keep you and feed you because of safety in number.
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survivy
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Post by survivy on Oct 1, 2019 13:50:08 GMT 10
I guess I have a vivid imagination lol. It was just something that crossed my mind and not too many places where I could discuss it  |
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Post by spinifex on Oct 1, 2019 14:04:19 GMT 10
Imagination seems perfectly normal. The forum is a great place to throw out ideas/concerns for discussion and see the range of responses.
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Post by bug on Oct 5, 2019 13:55:36 GMT 10
Unless your landlord lives right next to you, I wouldn't worry. What possible motivation would he have for kicking you out? Even if he does try, go buy a spare lock and change it when the time comes. Real estate agents will cease to exist pretty quickly when SHTF as most have zero usable life skills, so don't expect them to come knocking with an eviction notice.
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Post by SA Hunter on Oct 7, 2019 20:53:07 GMT 10
If you're a good tennant, why not keep you - chances are you'll still look after the place, so the income may not flow, but at least the property is still ok, unless, of course, it gets really bad, and trashed by the mobs.
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