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Post by tomatoes on Apr 5, 2020 11:22:34 GMT 10
[/quote]It makes me warm inside that this girl 3 days later was diagnosed with corona lol[/quote]
Joey, are you saying that you read she was diagnosed, or that you assume/expect/hope she would have been?
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Post by feralemma on Apr 5, 2020 11:33:32 GMT 10
I wonder if they are paid to do it, like that woman who was spitting on fruit in Aus. What women that was paid? Link? Chinese woman spitting on fruit in the supermarkets, there were videos of her doing it and being arrested. Police uniforms were definitely Australian and I'm pretty sure it was a Coles store. Think about it, the "shoppers" that have been buying up baby formula for years are paid, the "shoppers" that have been buying up dunny rolls, hand sanitiser, ppe and medical supplies are all paid to do so. Why wouldn't this woman (and how many others) have been paid to spread the virus? China had no intentions of containing it within its own country, and have government agents all over the world who are there to do whatever is asked of them.
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Post by spinifex on Apr 5, 2020 14:56:31 GMT 10
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Post by Beno on Jan 9, 2022 10:58:39 GMT 10
This qualifies as stupid in my book. Setting up camp under 30m cliff on the beach. Cliff collapse
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Post by Stealth on Jan 9, 2022 16:54:07 GMT 10
Ooooooooof... Back in the day look up and live applied not only to power lines but also widow-makers and rock-drop walls. Poor kids.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 9, 2022 17:14:29 GMT 10
Getting vaccinated for covid qualifies as stupid in my book. Waiting for Bce1 to bite in 3, 2, 1.....
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 9, 2022 18:04:05 GMT 10
Watch you don't get red lined frostbite, ive expressed the similar views and been pinged for them.
Since there is an absolute zero, is there a limit on how hot something can get?
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Post by bug on Jan 10, 2022 8:03:51 GMT 10
These days it seems better to stay agnostic on the topic. It's better not to tell people if you are vaxxed or not. There are two very polar extremes that constitute a pretty large part of the population. On one side you've got the ant-vaxxers. They used to be a tiny bunch, but numbers have now swelled. On the other you've got the supporters of medical apartheid who (unsurprisingly) have attracted support of marxist groups. The Vic govt falls into this group, as (to a lesser extent) does the federal govt.
A sensible middle ground is surely to make vaxes available to all, but not to discriminate against those who decline.
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Post by malewithatail on Jan 10, 2022 9:22:36 GMT 10
That's called informed choice, like abortion, my body, my choice. But the Govt wouldn't have any control if we had a choice,hence the compulsory stand. Just look a Austria at present, no jab then you dont get to participate in society, at all, no shopping, no school, nothing, you are an outcast, unclean, scum and will be forced to submit or starve.
How small can a distance get ?
This is the Planck length, approximately 1.6 x 10-35 meters, believed by physicists to be the shortest possible length in the universe.
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Post by Beno on Jan 10, 2022 10:06:48 GMT 10
Stop pissing all over another threat with covid crap.
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Post by bug on Jan 10, 2022 11:11:39 GMT 10
Yeah, you'd think Austrians would not have accepted authoritarianism from their government again. Bordering communist nations for so long cannot have been easy.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 10, 2022 12:17:19 GMT 10
That's called informed choice, like abortion, my body, my choice. In fairness, it's NOT like abortion. At all. In any way, shape or form. My body, my choice for abortion relates to a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy. Now ethical issues aside (not my circus, not my monkeys) abortion will physically affect the woman, and the (most times not as of yet) baby. I go by medical science's definitions and therefore for my own personal body I choose to believe that until a fetus develops a functioning nervous system it is no different to me choosing to remove pre-cancerous cells from my body. Those cells require my body to grow into something more. I can choose to allow that process to continue to happen or not and no one else should have any say in whether or not I have that choice because it is indeed my body. At that stage, it's not anyone else's body. It's a bunch of cells that may or may not get bigger. It will impact on NO one else's body for me to make that choice if I ever were to do so. When it comes to vaccination it's your body, your choice, and MY choice. And the choice of anyone that you interact with. And the choice for anyone that interacts with people that you've interacted with. If you're choosing not to vaccinate you're a vector for anyone else who is unable to make that choice around you (ie. immuno-compromised etc.). You are not only choosing for you, no matter what you tell yourself (in relation to anyone that is antivax of any sort). You're taking away the choice of anyone that you become a risk to. That's not an accusation or an argument. It's simple fact. And I'll admit to a little frustration here because the antivax co-opting of 'my body, my choice' frankly pisses me off. You want to have freedom of autonomy and that's fine. I understand and respect that. But no one is physically forcing you into a jab by being dragged into a dark alleyway and assaulted, and then forcing you to have a vaccination afterwards if you can't live with the repercussions. You aren't being forcefully vaccinated by your creepy uncle at night when they're babysitting you. You're not being vaccinated at gunpoint because you dared to go for a run at dusk and became an opportunistic target. No one's sticking a needle into your arm when you made a mistake on a single night out and you're just about to start year nine at highschool. And don't give me some metaphorical "Oh well we might as well be!". YEAH BUT YOU'RE NOT THOUGH, AND WOMEN WHO NEED ABORTIONS LITERALLY ARE. Respectfully, they're not even close to the same thing. Anti-vaxers need to pick their own slogan. Pro-choice folks have fought hard for the right to theirs.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 10, 2022 12:26:05 GMT 10
Also, because I realise that comes off strong... Here's something that makes me side with anti-vax opinion at least a little lmao Threat to arrest unvaccinated people in Philippines who break stay-at-home ordersTHIS is the kind of threat that I think people will really ark up at. Even a pro-vax person like me finds the concept terrifying. Duterte has a history of hard line behaviour (murdering drug dealers anyone? lol). But I can see how anyone that's disturbed by authoritarianism might look at this and freak out. It even gets my hackles up.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 10, 2022 12:31:42 GMT 10
Stealth, my understanding of your post is that you are under the mistaken belief that being vaccinated for covid reduces transmission of the virus. That is blatantly incorrect. There is an abundance of recent evidence that it is the vaccinated spreading Covid.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 10, 2022 12:47:50 GMT 10
No. My belief is that anti-vaxers are co-opting phraseology that belongs to a much longer, far deeper issue than a recent pandemic and it's related vaccinations.
But if you want to get technical, you're correct. It doesn't stop you from transmitting it. It DOES reduce the chances of it due to the reduced period of time that you can pass it on for compared to someone else that's un-vaccinated. Just like it reduces your likelihood of dying from covid if you catch it. Once again, seatbelts don't save every life. Doesn't mean you don't wear one. The resulting analogy is like saying that you don't have to wear a seatbelt behind a person who can't wear one because it's your right. You're still going to turn yourself and them into a meat pancake when you fly over their head and out the windscreen.
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Post by tactile on Jan 10, 2022 13:13:24 GMT 10
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Post by bug on Jan 10, 2022 13:26:11 GMT 10
Bearing in mind that I am very much pro-vaccine, respectfully disagree with that Stealth. That's the same logic that all dictators/authoritarians use to justify what they are doing. It's always the same concept of giving people someone to blame. "You got sick because these other people didn't do what we told them to. It's their fault, not ours."
With a few exceptions for those too young or intellectually disabled, no person should ever have any medical treatment unless they 100% consent to it. That 100% cannot ever include any coercion. When you've got vaccines with known side effects being forced onto people by use of a variety of threats, discrimination and coercion, the concept of 'first do no harm' goes out the window and it has become a political issue, not a health one. There are various control measures that are available besides the vaccine. People need the right to choose and make their own informed decisions.
"My body, my choice" is also clearly applicable here and presumably to any other similar situation.
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Post by frostbite on Jan 10, 2022 13:29:19 GMT 10
Stealth, a study in the UK, published in the Lancet, measured the viral load carried by vaccinated and unvaccinated health workers and found the vaccinated workers carried a significantly higher viral load. The cruise ship industry in the US and a number of aged care facilities in Australia have very recently been closed solely because vaccinated staff, residents or passengers have so readily spread the virus. I'm not buying this argument that the unvaxxed are a greater risk when all the evidence points to the contrary.
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Post by Stealth on Jan 10, 2022 15:35:24 GMT 10
I'm guessing you're referring to This article? It was the only one that I could find that referenced healthcare workers, so if it's the wrong one happy to be corrected. Edit or perhaps the study that's referenced in that article, found here. Just trying to make sure I'm reading the right things.
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