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Aug 25, 2020 19:50:21 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Aug 25, 2020 19:50:21 GMT 10
Does anyone know if snares for hunting rabbits & pigs are legal in NSW?
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Post by illuminati on Aug 25, 2020 20:57:53 GMT 10
I believe they are illegal. I googled after watching Alone. But I could be wrong. If someone has better info I’d also like to know. I can’t find what I found last time but there’s this classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/fa2012139/s68.htmlRabbits are a pest, so on private land or if you’re a farmer maybe there’s other laws. |
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Post by frostbite on Aug 25, 2020 21:02:49 GMT 10
Milspec, I thought you were moving to Qld?
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Aug 25, 2020 22:10:43 GMT 10
Post by bug on Aug 25, 2020 22:10:43 GMT 10
Makes sense for snares to be illegal as they are unmonitered and inherantly cruel. A cage trap however may be ok.
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Post by norseman on Aug 26, 2020 7:48:52 GMT 10
Professional / Recreational "Hunting" and "Trapping" with snares is illegal in NSW, actual possession of snares is not an offence last time I checked (years ago).
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Post by Beno on Aug 26, 2020 14:09:40 GMT 10
cage traps are ok. i use them all the time for cats and the odd fox. There are rules for their use and they need to be checked minimum once a day otherwise it becomes a welfare issue. Lead to the head is still the most humane method, quick and painless. The mincing pansies won’t support this as an option as there is blood and nervous reactions that causes the pansy much distress.
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Aug 26, 2020 19:22:31 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Aug 26, 2020 19:22:31 GMT 10
I can not find any official advice that snaring is illegal in NSW. The legislation (cruelty to animals) mentions snaring twice but doesnt say its illegal. Might have to ring DPI.
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Aug 26, 2020 20:28:12 GMT 10
Post by Beno on Aug 26, 2020 20:28:12 GMT 10
I can not find any official advice that snaring is illegal in NSW. The legislation (cruelty to animals) mentions snaring twice but doesnt say its illegal. Might have to ring DPI. Same, couldn't find anything definitive. (2) For the purposes of this Act, a reference to an act of cruelty committed upon an animal includes a reference to any act or omission as a consequence of which the animal is unreasonably, unnecessarily or unjustifiably: (a) beaten, kicked, killed, wounded, pinioned, mutilated, maimed, abused, tormented, tortured, terrified or infuriated, (b) over-loaded, over-worked, over-driven, over-ridden or over-used, (c) exposed to excessive heat or excessive cold, or (d) inflicted with pain. i guess you have to navigate the intent of the above and determine that snaring is not unreasonable, unnecessary and can be justified. Rabbits and pigs are feral pests but the counter argument would be that there are many other tried and tested control techniques that are more effective and humane. hmmm it’s an interesting question! |
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Post by milspec on Aug 26, 2020 21:15:53 GMT 10
When you consider that poisoning rabbits is fine and ripping up their burrows with tractors and ripper blades while the rabbits are in them, snaring seems to be relatively humane and probably more humane than a leg trap which is legal.
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Aug 26, 2020 21:24:19 GMT 10
Post by Beno on Aug 26, 2020 21:24:19 GMT 10
exactly. I’d say the suffering on a well caught snared animal would be minimal. The other issue is off target animals. Catch a quoll in one and it’s a bad day if it gets found out.
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Post by norseman on Aug 27, 2020 5:57:07 GMT 10
I can not find any official advice that snaring is illegal in NSW. The legislation (cruelty to animals) mentions snaring twice but doesnt say its illegal. Might have to ring DPI. milspec My advice came directly from the NSW RSPCA in a phone conversation back in the nineties while I did not receive it in writing from the RSPCA I was informed by him that snaring was illegal and they would launch prosecution against anyone they detected causing cruelty to animals through the use of snares. The RSPCA man I spoke to was named David Butcher. |
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Aug 27, 2020 6:50:32 GMT 10
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Post by milspec on Aug 27, 2020 6:50:32 GMT 10
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Aug 27, 2020 8:07:11 GMT 10
Post by spinifex on Aug 27, 2020 8:07:11 GMT 10
Snares are legal in SA. For rock lobster.
Got many lobbies crawling around your place?
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Post by milspec on Aug 27, 2020 15:49:13 GMT 10
Snares are legal in SA. For rock lobster. Got many lobbies crawling around your place? Not as many as I'd like. I used to have one of those crayfish snares when I was a diver. They worked a treat. I called DPI, the lady I spoke to said what's a snare? That was a short conversation. I wrote to DPI, they have replied and said snares are legal in NSW on private land. |
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Post by norseman on Aug 27, 2020 16:17:38 GMT 10
Thanks for that milspec, that's good intel! There are many like me who have have been misled regarding the use of snares!
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Post by frostbite on Aug 27, 2020 17:37:21 GMT 10
All hunting is cruel according to the RSPCA, Australia's leading animal rights terror group. Which is why they support a total ban on firearms for hunting, I saw what I thought was the first female member of 2CDO looking to make entry to a surburban house in Wollongong a few weeks ago. When I got closer I saw that it was an RSPCA inspector wearing more tactical nylon than a whole squadron of SAS
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Post by milspec on Aug 27, 2020 18:33:28 GMT 10
All hunting is cruel according to the RSPCA, Australia's leading animal rights terror group. Which is why they support a total ban on firearms for hunting, I saw what I thought was the first female member of 2CDO looking to make entry to a surburban house in Wollongong a few weeks ago. When I got closer I saw that it was an RSPCA inspector wearing more tactical nylon than a whole squadron of SAS Yeah I pulled up next to a similiarly attired RSPCA 'commando' at the servo down here one time. I wonder if they have their own blackhawks. |
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Post by SA Hunter on Aug 27, 2020 18:46:17 GMT 10
I'm sure their medal parades are pretty awesome too!
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Aug 28, 2020 8:00:00 GMT 10
Post by norseman on Aug 28, 2020 8:00:00 GMT 10
Seems like the RSPCA is a very left leaning organisation similar to National Parks and Wildlife very anti-hunting! Doing some further research I've discovered this bloke David Butcher was notoriously keen on prosecutions when he was working as an Inspector and then later the CEO of the RSPCA (NSW).
"Former chief inspector Charles Meader, who worked at the NSW branch for
10 years, confirms that prosecutions were substantially higher between 1986 and 1992, when the branch was run by veterinarian David Butcher. “One year
we had well over 200 prosecutions,” says Meader, although he’s unable to provide
a breakdown.
Butcher himself can recall only three intensive-farming prosecutions, and says
it has always been difficult to prosecute under the Act – which, he points out, fails to address the problems often, but not always, associated with intensive farming. (Butcher, who now heads the World Wide Fund for Nature, left the RSPCA under a cloud in September 1992. His supporters claim he was ousted by conservative farmers’ lobby groups.)
The fact is, say both Peter Barber and Charles Wright, prosecutions are time-consuming, expensive and largely unsuccessful.
When Wright was appointed CEO of the RSPCA, he found “something like 12 prosecutions in the bush that were in the appeal process, and which were costing the society around $500,000 a year”.
Wright says one of those cases concerned a farmer who was being prosecuted for, among other offences, failing to provide food and water to sheep. “This went on for four years until the farmer won on appeal and the RSPCA had to pay $60,000 in costs.
“Any animal that’s inflicted with unnecessary pain or suffering affects me personally. But we can’t break the law. We’re not Animal Liberation. And why [spend] $100,000 in court if you know you’re going to lose? We’ve got people who give us $5 donations, who give us $3,000 or $4,000 as their last dying wish. Do you want me to [waste] that money when all the advice is we’ll lose?"
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Post by spinifex on Aug 28, 2020 8:06:46 GMT 10
I've got a mate who works for RSPCA in compliance. Have accompanied him on some animal welfare property inspections to provide livestock assessments.
He deals with some serious head cases in that role. Including quite violent and sadistic types. Other times we've put down old peoples/kids beloved pet livestock that they hand-raised and had around the house for years and years but are on their last legs ... while they're standing in the background somewhere balling their eyes out.
Not everyone in the RSPCA is a PC activist. There are plenty of solid, upright people doing difficult work in there too.
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